Trial Loot System Feedback

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First let me come with a general comment
 
I understand the frustration of all the classes feeling they are missing out on loot, but please try to speak in a nice tone, and please remember that this is a trial system with which the officers are trying to keep people from using /gquit and ranting all day long. Unfortunately i've never seen so much rant after the system is being tried out, but its a test, and no matter what system you use, there will be flaws. Just try to keep things at a professional level, and please try to think of your fellow SOG members, they are your friends and your human beings
 
If we cant work together as a team in SOG, how should we be able to reach our goals?
 
Now to the loot part:
 
Ring of Blacrock:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19397
 
Mages (DPS) 5 stars
Paladin (healing) 4 stars
 
Makes no sense really. Paladins have equal amount of usage for this
 
Ashkandi, Greatsword of the Brotherhood:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19364
 
Warriors (DPS) 5 stars
Paladins (DPS) 5 stars
 
Sorry fellow paladins, but its my firm belief that any paladin should pass this on to a DPS warrior, any day
 
This was a few examples for now, i'll be back later with some interesting things

[Keisuke]

Well, since everyone now probably hate me for what i have done. i'll say what i think. And of course, this post doesn't make me hate anoyone or mean to offend anyone.
 
This loot priority may suck for certain ppl i.e ppl who actually have raded for the past year and so . .and they want to be fully BWL equiped with non other then the best they can get.
 
If u think of it as a new persons point of view, they would gain nice loot and they would consider to stay.
 
I can understand the people who have stayed in SoG for 1 year and want this feeling of, no more loot needed in BWL. Like now, ppl would probably only need 1 or 2 loots in BWL and haven't been able to gain this loot, and u would probably reamain something like 90% complete BWL epic.
 
Like Luminance took the ring from last night and she was say . . .not even epic teir 2 but that improved her dps alot. (more then a hunter) i would say shes almost like 50% complete of her BWL armor.
 
If this new loot system have not been implemented and Lucian got it. It would been good for Lucain but, would it of been better for the whole raids dmg or is it just for u Lucian to get 100% complete epic since the improvement would of been better on Luminance.
 
I would say that Luminance gaining this ring would of been a much more benefit to the raid then Lucian.
 
So why get mad if it benefitted the raid more? that would of made the raid progress even more? no? and anyway .. that would of not been the best Hunter ring as well that hunters can get in BWL.
 
I would say that this loot priority system would improve over the whole raids progress then just one persons thirst for 100% BWL epic equiped.

[Secohan]

Wow-Loot system focus on pure raiding that makes loosing Paladins and Druids 1 star point for lacking of intel on plate or leather gears and same goes for rings etc which decrease 1 star point due to +spell.
 
I have to agree with Padding there +heal +mana reg 5 star and +spell dmg is also what he needs under holy tree holy shock isnt related with Melee att. but becasue paladins dont use spell dmg in raids they lost 1 star point on rings according to WowLoot.
 
For the Ashkandi, Ofc warriors will get it before paladins but I cant say same thing for Ashbringer :flirty:

[Bastet]

It has already occurred Nef! Both the DB gun and Heartstriker has gone to Rogue/hunter ask Neb about it!

Yes, this happend, and it among other things is one of the reasons the field marshals decided upon this loot priority system. But last nite was only the first trail, and apperantly the system is not yet working fully as one would want. Therefor its a fair asumption that changes will be made.
 
Btw, on a more personal note, id like to remember ppl that what ever the fieldmarshals do, half the raid group is having trouble with how its done. This current system allows ppl to see exactly what thier getting if they say they are class or spec A, or B, now while flawed at the moment i think it has the potential to become a good system.
 
Also, id please like to urge ppl to type constructive feedback only, since that is what helps, and saying this system is all bull, well it might be your opion, but it dont help us, nor yourselfs, cause with those kinds of open statements the FM's cant change anything.

[Menedil]

ill admit that me wanting the DHC (the gun rata was referring to) was utterly selfish and i wish i hadnt ever got it! raid need > pvp need. (thats why +dmg gear is higher rated for mage than pally i guess padd)

[Umbra]

Aye I think the idea is a good thing in general terms but needs tweaking, I assume that the powers that be are noting specific item  info people are posting on and taking a look at them, that's why the thread is here.

One thing I'd like to put out there is that, even if a class has 4* and another has 5*, is it really fair for a new 0dkp person to win over 6+k dkp person jsut cos of one star?

say a hunter stays in RG1 for a year, but we have high turnover of rogues, the hunter will never get an item cos a rogue will always win it even on low dkp, then maybe leave. rinse and repeat

my suggestion is to use the rating system as a modifier, pure and simple, priority = dkp X star rating, or thereabouts, that way, you are more likely to get it if its better for your class, but you cant guzump a long standing hard working raider when you are new. Just a thought.

P.S. Padding, yet another reason for info on warr spec, I'd rather ashkandi went to a pally than to a dw fury warr (me) i'd like it so i would /w for it but certainly wouldnt take it from a pally, 2hwarr>pally>dw warr for ashkandi (why would a dw warr take it? i dont always dw;))

[Bastet]

true umbra, but a modifier system is very adminstratively heavy, since the values change a lot. And it would still mean that some items will never go where you want them to go, its a hard and complex issue, but we are working on it

[ck2069]

Well as my 2 cents i support my fellow kinsmen in this matter!

/signed

Some of the weapons and rings/necks that have now Roges on top of list should clearly have Hunters on top. Or hunters and Roges on the same priority rank... and then let dkp decide...

[KreuZ]

Now to the loot part:
 
Ring of Blacrock:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19397
 
Mages (DPS) 5 stars
Paladin (healing) 4 stars
 
Makes no sense really. Paladins have equal amount of usage for this

I agree, in fact I would think Druids/Priests/Paladins all have better usage. But I don't believe a single Mage would go for that ring when there are so much better rings elsewhere.

[Vargen]

Well for me it is the [item]Drake Fang Talisman[/item] I will never see. With the old system I could have taken it long ago, but I've passed it along for more needing classes. For some reason I don't expect it will be passed to me :sideways:

[Yrthal]

I know some think this is a bad potion and some are happy for it.

But its just a trail and lets see how it works out after the month.

My own opinion is that it was most fair "highes dkp" wins, cause there is a reson why ppl have more dkp than others.

No matter what there will allways be the usual fight:

Rogues vs. Hunters (Feral druids)
Dps Warriors vs. Dps Pallies

Its allways common sense people lack when there is loot.
Yesterday eventho we used the new loot rules us (warriors) talked about who wanted what and if ppl were willing to pass. Some did it and others ignored it.

isay make a chan. fx. RG2loot and then ppl can say if they are going for a certain thing and if others are willing to pass. I know, if people use common sense and use a min or 2 to talk about it there woulden be any problems and dissapoinment.

Some people a ego's when it comes to loot, and think the reason is that they want to improve asap, and thats no shame, we just need to think a bit more about eachother than just ourselves.

[Marduk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Padding
Now to the loot part:
 
Ring of Blacrock:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19397
 
Mages (DPS) 5 stars
Paladin (healing) 4 stars
 
Makes no sense really. Paladins have equal amount of usage for this
 
Kreuz
I agree, in fact I would think Druids/Priests/Paladins all have better usage. But I don't believe a single Mage would go for that ring when there are so much better rings elsewhere.

Kreuz, deloris wanted that ring, i wanted that ring, deloris got it, even tho i had 9 times more dkp then he did at the time, so it can happen, and it probably will happen again

[Vargen]

Tbh, I don't see why a Mage would want [item]Ring of Blackrock[/item] unless they had a crap ring to start with. But then I guess not all Mages would sell their mother for some extra spelldamage :flirty: Though I can't think of any ring from BWL that is better atm. MC there is though, and ZG and AQ and Naxx :narnar:
Not everyone has TWO [item]Ring of spell power[/item], Kreuz

And Deloris is a girl! Just so you know. (Lucian please ignore this line of text)

[Marduk]

default for all gamers is he
its easier to correct 0.1% of the cases then to type out he or she every time
 
of course no hard feelings against deloris of course i would whisper to if it was an improvement, but im still using my mc/ony rings to and i was looking for new ones for a while to

[Lucian]

And Deloris is a girl! Just so you know. (Lucian please ignore this line of text)

There aremany lines in this thread I'd happily reply to, but I choose this one.
 
I've never spoken to Deloris.  For some reason my charms are faulty when she's around. (And, in truth, I've never even whispered her!)
 
As for others, Keisuke: that ring was not to make me a full epiced up hunter - I'll still have a blue melee weapon because I've never whispered for daggers I might want to let Rogues have them.
 
Secondly, and this is what really ****ed me off, you imply I'm greedy. Luminance's DPS increased by 2.5. Dear god, that's TINY. And, imho, another sign of your loot ego getting in the way of the spirit of the game.  I have been working for a year now on the ZG rings, recently I got my Brood ring to honored (an upgrade, even over the set bonus for the ZG rings), so that ring, which you seem to think I was taking for the hell of it, was going to be a substantial improvement over my existing gear.
 
Thirdly, and I'm telling you this now, don't ever whisper me asking to pass on something. I won't, because its you.
 
Finally, and I've been thinking about this in school today, the system has the potential to work, provided the officers sit down and revise the ratings. Its gonna be a long tough process but its possible.
 
PS: How the hell do you link items now?