Duvel

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by smite@Mar 12 2004, 11:29 PM
Completely pissed me off tonight...

This has come about as 4 times this week i have had to tell him about going too far on maps (I think oldie was there for one of them) he constantly argues about it and doesn't agree.

Tonight on Nuke he went through the little cabin on top and wiped out most of the team, i in anger had enough and slayed him for it (Actually tried slap but failed) i then told him why he got slayed and got abuse for it.

Now i can't find any reference to the old limits for this map but CT's were not allowed through there as i remember.

Ruined what a good night i was having and tbh the argument that was going on ruined it for everyone else on the server. What was a fun atmosphere changed instantly.


Im very very Pissed off.

I thought about merging this thread with the other thread currently running, but then I realised moving it from here to the other Admin section would cut out the TCS Admin views here.  My thoughts:


/political sensitivity raised to maximum

1.  Smite, you should apologise via PM to Duvel for slaying him.  You can reaffirm to him that Admins shouldn't just slay and that it was a mistake.  This should help him in the cooling off process and will then mean that he should have a relatively open mind when we talk to him about the other issues.  It should be concilliatory in tone, sent preferably by Smite (public cc to OB/TL) so that Duvel knows that OB/TL know Smite has apologised for the slay.

2.  Then you can start dealing with the problem - which is pushing the boundaries a little too hard and the DUI ('dissing under the influence).  A carefully worded PM again should suffice.  Any PM like this needs to leave room for the other person to manouvre.  If you write a PM that backs the person into the corner then expect their response to be them coming out of the corner fighting - and then the situation escalates which we don't need.   If you want help drafting something let me know.

A final note of caution:
Rogue's Gallery is meant to be just for the facts about rogue players.  We should be mindful not to go too far in this thread with anything too personal.  There is an Admin Discussion topic in which anything other than fact should go.

TL.

[smite]

Morning all.....
What a night.

Yep i will head this one up with Duvel and if he doesn't agree with what i say he can take it further with a head admin.

On the slap/slay thing i really was at the end of my tether with duvel, all week i had to tell him he's going too far on maps ....... I wasn't sure what to do next as he just wasn't listening to me and kept arguing.

Im also here to have fun and the fun element of playing and admining are stretching it thin.

I will have a chat with Duvel and point out in the rules again for the procedure for a complaint against an admin and about swearing.


One Flu'ed up smite out

[smite]

Sorry TL i didn't see your post... I have sent Duvel a PM appologising and saying what reasons led to it and about his actions after it were out of order.


As of now i resign from being an admin.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by OldBloke+Mar 13 2004, 08:30 AM-->

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by smite@Mar 13 2004, 09:29 AM
Sorry TL i didn't see your post... I have sent Duvel a PM appologising and saying what reasons led to it and about his actions after it were out of order.


As of now i resign from being an admin.

Aw don't do that Smite. You're a good guy so there is no need to let this episode dissuade you from being an Admin. Stay m8

[OldBloke]

Resignation refused.  :narnar:

[smite]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Mar 13 2004, 10:04 AM
Resignation refused. :narnar:

See can't even do that right.    

[OldBloke]

Originally posted by smite+Mar 13 2004, 10:25 AM-->

[OldBloke]

Getting this discussion back on track ...

Can I suggest that in future if a player, ANY PLAYER, after having been warned by an admin is being disruptive or generally spoiling the enjoyment of others then he is given a 24 hour ban as per our code of conduct rules. If at the same time we remember to note the full circumstances of the episode then dealing with it later will be much easier.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Mar 13 2004, 10:04 AM
Resignation refused.  :narnar:

Well said that man!

[Doorman]

Originally posted by OldBloke+Mar 13 2004, 08:30 AM-->

[albert]

I wasn't there but from reading the topic the facts are:

1) Duvel did something in game to spoil the round
2) Duvel persisted in using bad language after being told not to

he should have

1) Been given a warning for going too far on the map
2) Kept his mouth shut and aired his views in the Charlie company forums

Whether there is an underlying problem to address is neither here nor there, Duvel should be given a friendly advice/ warning via PM mentioning that a number of other community members have complained about his language in game and that the admins will be keeping a close eye (or ear) on him. If he has a repeat performance, a formal warning mentioning if he he is on his last legs and another repeat may lead to a ban and expulsion from dMw.

We all have a few moments of weakness and open our gobs when we're not supposed to (last LAN was mine, oh and the tourney where Strider was being an TANGO) and normally we regret it al lin the morning and applogise. Has Duvel made his appologies? I would say that would settle the matter for now.

As for admin standards, I don't see a problem the way things are, it doesn't take a genius to realise when someone is doing something that puts the quality of the TCS in jeopardy. If you see a problem, slap it, warn it and if it happens again kick it.

[Stryker]

I've not played much since Christmas so I guess I have an objective view of this :-)

It sounds like smite had, had it up to his kneck with duvel after a weeks worth of his straying over boundries.  

When players continually refuse to take heed of warnings then yes its best they are told to take it to the forum, ref the procedures and then be banned for 24hrs to give them time to cool off.  Knowing smite I'd say hes too much of a nice chap to ban someone even if with hind-sight it would of been the best course of action.

If I were smite, in future I'd just stick to the code of conduct and if that means banning someone being abusive then do it.... being nice gets you walked all over, following the procedure means noone can touch you  

[smite]

He has made a public appology for the swearing at my request.

The boundary pushing is just going to be something of a learning curve for me and others. The problem is as stated in "TCS working" thread posted by DCG members of the old PCS school have a certain eye for where or where not to go on a map the new members dont. On that note i need to try and get to grips with the possibility that the boundaries are not as tight as they used to be.

I personally think Duvel was just Frag hunting on this occasion.



Like Stryker says im not a very strong Admin and don't like to upset people, but can appear quite Blunt sometimes (i have a way with words)