Duvel

[smite]

Completely pissed me off tonight...

This has come about as 4 times this week i have had to tell him about going too far on maps (I think oldie was there for one of them) he constantly argues about it and doesn't agree.

Tonight on Nuke he went through the little cabin on top and wiped out most of the team, i in anger had enough and slayed him for it (Actually tried slap but failed) i then told him why he got slayed and got abuse for it.

Now i can't find any reference to the old limits for this map but CT's were not allowed through there as i remember.

Ruined what a good night i was having and tbh the argument that was going on ruined it for everyone else on the server. What was a fun atmosphere changed instantly.


Im very very Pissed off.

[Squonk]

i 've got to agree with smite on this he seems to be crossing boundries all the time
we was having a good night up untill this incident happened and really think a word in duvel's shell like is needed it spoilt what was a really fun night  

[TeaLeaf]

OK, so we need to rectify the situation.  Suggestions please.

TL.

[Dr Sadako]

It is nuke we are talking about for everyones reference.

In DuVeLs defense the actual move he pulled off was ok in my book. He was at top bomsite when he heard the Ts rushing towards topsite. He called the rush and then entered the shed and fired full auto and got 4 of 7 Ts. The round wasn't completely fresh and he didn't enter the shed right away.

After the slay from you smite he was really abusive over the voicecomm as he felt really badly treated. I don't think it helped either that DuVeL had had about 10 beers as well. We tried to calm him down and I told him that it would certainly discussed this in the admin section, which calmed him down a bit. Still it was not a good mood in the CT camp so to say.

Regarding him breaking boundaries I haven't noticed it before. Actually previously on Inferno tonight DuVeL playing CT were telling the CTs to fall back as Blunt and some others were advancing way too far.

[Squonk]

looking at rons post it looks like he was out of order(i couldnt hear his vc as i was on the other team) and i feel this needs niping in the bud and quick this is not why we play on the hook this is for publics and even then it shouldnt happen ..he is wearing our tag and this shouldnt happen no matter how much ya drank (i take it he had had a few) but then again so had most peeps  (as usual on a friday) this is not away to conduct  ya self

[smite]

Sadako i have ran from CT spawn, up the ladder and dropped down to take on the rush of T's, if you were to go through the door you would meet at the point we did and we ran straight from our spawn.

The map WAS Nuke.

TBH sadako you havn't been on a lot this week and i am trying to get back into this game and it's things like this that ruin it for me.
As an admin i step back quite a lot but this is getting out of order for a few people but when someone is told they are in an area they shouldn't be they say ok sorry Duvel argues and argues....He should say ok but if he wants to take it further then send a pm after the game not carry on like this.

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by smite@Mar 13 2004, 01:09 AM
Sadako i have ran from CT spawn, up the ladder and dropped down to take on the rush of T's, if you were to go through the door you would meet at the point we did and we ran straight from our spawn.

The map WAS Nuke.

TBH sadako you havn't been on a lot this week and i am trying to get back into this game and it's things like this that ruin it for me.
As an admin i step back quite a lot but this is getting out of order for a few people but when someone is told they are in an area they shouldn't be they say ok sorry Duvel argues and argues....He should say ok but if he wants to take it further then send a pm after the game not carry on like this.

Yes you are right the map was nuke . I am bit tired now. Have been trying to calm down DuVeL both over voicecomm and telephone (!)...  :lol:  :blink: .

True I haven't been on much this week. I was also put off but what happened.

He did not go up the ladder and then drop down to the shed. He came from the left side (outside) entrance and then advanced to the shed.

At first I thought you slayed him for fun tbh because he killed you as some slapping had been on train (the previous map). It was first when DuVeL started to bitch about it I understood that something had happened.

I convinced DuVeL to sleep it off until tomorrow and that we would deal with it in here and then tell him the decision.

[smite]

Originally posted by Sadako@Mar 13 2004, 12:28 AM
At first I thought you slayed him for fun tbh because he killed you as some slapping had been on train (the previous map). It was first when DuVeL started to bitch about it I understood that something had happened.

I will be honest sadako i have no idea what that is about, i have no recollection of anything to do with duvel on train.

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by smite+Mar 13 2004, 01:35 AM-->

[Doorman]

As I see it, this is not a discussion about where you should or shouldn't be. It is about his ATTITUDE and his language! If it is finally decided that where he was is ok then his language and demeanor was ok too.

[Doorman]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Mar 12 2004, 11:52 PM
OK, so we need to rectify the situation.  Suggestions please.

TL.

One of your famous PMs might do the trick!

[Dr Sadako]

I think we have two separate issues here.

1. Sorting the abusive language and attitude tonight with DuVeL irrespectively if he was out of bounds or not. What he needs is to know that he is not an admin and not to argue with an admin decision. If he has concerns it should go through the normal channels i.e. pm or mail. Also I think we need to tell him why he got slayed. From what I got form the telephone call he didn't understand why he got slayed. CTs had been in that area previous rounds and had not been slayed.
I think he will be calmer tomorrow when the beers left his body.

2. We need to establish a common judging ground for all the admins i.e. boundaries that we all agree on so we don't fall into a discussion on the server so that we show a unified front out towards the community. This in turn leads to more holding hand on the server with all the new players (but also the regulars) showing the 'boundaries'. Still it is TCS which leads to judgment calls but if we have a common ground it will be easier for us to see if it is right or wrong.

[Doorman]

Originally posted by Sadako@Mar 13 2004, 01:14 AM
I think we have two separate issues here.

1. Sorting the abusive language and attitude tonight with DuVeL irrespectively if he was out of bounds or not. What he needs is to know that he is not an admin and not to argue with an admin decision. If he has concerns it should go through the normal channels i.e. pm or mail. Also I think we need to tell him why he got slayed. From what I got form the telephone call he didn't understand why he got slayed. CTs had been in that area previous rounds and had not been slayed.
I think he will be calmer tomorrow when the beers left his body.

2. We need to establish a common judging ground for all the admins i.e. boundaries that we all agree on so we don't fall into a discussion on the server so that we show a unified front out towards the community. This in turn leads to more holding hand on the server with all the new players (but also the regulars) showing the 'boundaries'. Still it is TCS which leads to judgment calls but if we have a common ground it will be easier for us to see if it is right or wrong.

1. I don't think you should make excuses for him. He'll be calmer tomorrow?! He is not a multimillion pound signing! The whole sorry mess was about his attitude. Beer or not, it is no excuse. We've all been over the odds alcohol wise and not degenerated to that level.
2. Knock this silly slaying and slapping business on the head. It's undignified!
3. Establishing common judging ground? Deja vu! I refer the honourable gentleman to the thread not so long ago "PCS or TCS" and the misgivings therein. You really can't have it both ways.
4. I'm rather tired now, but to finish, I was heartened by the general discontent with his behaviour but disappointed that decisive action wasn't taken.
Ah well, life goes on. I supposed it livened up a Friday evening.  

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by Doorman@Mar 13 2004, 03:33 AM
1. I don't think you should make excuses for him. He'll be calmer tomorrow?! He is not a multimillion pound signing! The whole sorry mess was about his attitude. Beer or not, it is no excuse. We've all been over the odds alcohol wise and not degenerated to that level.
2. Knock this silly slaying and slapping business on the head. It's undignified!
3. Establishing common judging ground? Deja vu! I refer the honourable gentleman to the thread not so long ago "PCS or TCS" and the misgivings therein. You really can't have it both ways.
4. I'm rather tired now, but to finish, I was heartened by the general discontent with his behaviour but disappointed that decisive action wasn't taken.
Ah well, life goes on. I supposed it livened up a Friday evening.  

1. I was not making excuses for him rather suggesting that it wil be easier to communicate with him when he is calmer. Last night there was no point in trying to reprimand him in his current state. It didn't become any better that most of CT was bitching over him on voicecomm making him even more agitated and almost impossible for me or you Doorman to contact him. The most important thing to me last night was to calm him down enough to get a message through and tell him "we will deal with this tomorrorow". That took over 30 minutes in game and on phone.

2. I agree. Slap and slay are good getting in line methods and shouldn't be abused.

3. Everything isn't black and white Doorman. TCS have worked really well the last months and there have not been any need to go over the boundaries before imho. Also most of us have a common PCS background and know most of the maps in that situation. Nuke is an exception as in haven't been in the rotation and hence there is a discrepancy on what is allowed or not. Still the discussed shed on nuke is still only 1  meter wide so it is not a large error in boundary crossing so to say.

4. Tell me about it. Add one hour and you know how I experienced it. Also I had to go up at 8 this morning.

Cheers,

[OldBloke]

Originally posted by Doorman+Mar 13 2004, 12:49 AM-->