So what happened too...

[Dewey]

Fair sides and team balancing tonight guys?

Tonights game was pretty farcical on the map with the woodyard. Many of my squad including Target, Norm, Paddy and myself included where fed up of being continually bombed and rocketed from the skies. Surely it didn't escape your teams notice that we had no air support at all the whole game except for some sad attempts by myself to relieve the pressure on my squad which usually ended up with me flying into a mountain?

At one point we counted 3 heli's and 1 plane on your side out of 6 players!

You always had at least 1 plane and two helis up. This makes for a very one sided, dull and frustrating game, when you have few opposition infantry to shoot at and no chance of fighting against an unnopposed air force.

I even messaged twice if you could spare us a pilot as you had the numerical advantage also, but that fell on deaf ears.

Its the first time I and others have left the server because they are frustrated by the oppositions play. :ranting:

[Anonymous]

Sorry to hear that Dewey. I don't like to hear of anybody leaving one of our servers because of the actions of others. However, I guess it does happen and the only solace I can offer is that I wouold hope it happens much less frequently here than anywhere else.

Maybe some of the peeps who were on tonight can comment, it's possiuble it was a case of not realising the problem, I find it far harder in BF2 to realise when the other team are hurting. In CS I find it ewasy to know that things need balancing.

Comments guys?

[Dewey]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Dec 19 2005, 10:37 PM
Sorry to hear that Dewey. I don't like to hear of anybody leaving one of our servers because of the actions of others. However, I guess it does happen and the only solace I can offer is that I wouold hope it happens much less frequently here than anywhere else.

Maybe some of the peeps who were on tonight can comment, it's possiuble it was a case of not realising the problem, I find it far harder in BF2 to realise when the other team are hurting. In CS I find it ewasy to know that things need balancing.

Comments guys?

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Sorry for the rant - and yes BB your right, it rarely happens on the dMw servers. I'm sure they where just unaware. However after over 60 minutes of continual aerial bombardment frustration set in on my team.

We spoke about team balancing last week and I think its just as important to ensure that there is an equal split of pilots on each side. I guess we where just unlucky tonight and ended up with no pilots on our side and 3 or 4 on the other side.

My squad where thinking of sounding an air raid siren, hiding in a bunker and singing roll out the barrel ala spirit of the blitz such was the onslaught.

Need to get it sorted please, I'd be interested in other peoples comments on this especially the squad I played with and against so we can avoid a repeat of tonights performance. Bearing in mind we also had a pubbie who was on our squad and seemed keen, we don't want to put new people off.

nb* I even tried a pacifist approach, walked up on a road outside the power plant where ranger had his APC and turned my back on him in protest ..... he shot me  

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Dewey@Dec 19 2005, 10:43 PM
Bearing in mind we also had a pubbie who was on our squad and seemed keen, we don't want to put new people off.

Extremely important point!

nb* I even tried a pacifist approach, walked up on a road outside the power plant where ranger had his APC and turned my back on him in protest ..... he shot me

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[Dewey]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Dec 19 2005, 10:54 PM
Extremely important point!

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I can laugh about it now  :lmfao:

[delanvital]

Sorry Dewey. I would have swapped side if you had asked... Just let me know next time about this imbalance and I will swap.

On another note - I honestly thought that most of the time you were scary in that chopper and that we struggled to keep air superiority. I think we all fought hard for the flags. We might have pushed you back, but it took a hole hour to do it.

But as I said, sorry, just let me know next time.

[Dewey]

Originally posted by delanvital@Dec 19 2005, 10:59 PM
Sorry Dewey. I would have swapped side if you had asked... Just let me know next time about this imbalance and I will swap.

On another note - I honestly thought that most of the time you were scary in that chopper and that we struggled to keep air superiority. I think we all fought hard for the flags. We might have pushed you back, but it took a hole hour to do it.

But as I said, sorry, just let me know next time.

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Delanvital, no apology needed, I guess my frustration had just built up and I'd had enough. I did message twice, but as as we know, its easy to miss messages in Bf2 as theres so many especially difficult if your being shot at or piloting a vehicle.

Perhaps a pilots roster would be a good idea?  

[Dewey]

Originally posted by delanvital@Dec 19 2005, 10:59 PM
On another note - I honestly thought that most of the time you were scary in that chopper and that we struggled to keep air superiority. I think we all fought hard for the flags. We might have pushed you back, but it took a hole hour to do it.

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Your right m8, I am scarey in a heli.. scarey to my passengers  

[Liberator]

From our side it looked like a pretty even match.

There was a constant backwards and forwards of capturing bases, I hold my hand up to flying in a plane, but I only killed about 6 people all the time I was up and realised I was better on the ground. I died about the same amount of times as I killed.

Never saw the messages, the first I saw was your message when you left the server.

The battles were intense and because we were fighting over two flags for the majority of the game there was no obvious balancing issues that we could see.

There was only surprise when you left the server and we all wondered what was happening.

Didn't any of you think to send one of your guys over to our team and tell us your issues so we could have sent a pilot over as a swap? :huh:

[Ranger]

I don't know about anyone else - but I only rarely notice imballances because you don't tend to check the teams screen a lot while playing...

So it's only usually when someone types up 'ballance teams' that I check!



I think we all just have to shout LOUDLY 'BALLANCE TEAMS' as soon as you notice your team is short...

I've always found that just about everyone is happy to jump sides as soon as this happens! (Myself included!).

[Blunt]

tbh I was on your side Dewey, and although I knew it was a bit unbalanced and they had air superiority (I called for 1 of our team to get airborne) I don't think that it spoiled the game...

in fact, it could be argued that it was a realistic fight...1 side gets the upper hand in the air, and the other side has to do what we did, adapt

I thought we did extremely well in the face of advercity

It's much more dificult to keep an eye on team balancing in BF2...in cs it is noticed and acted upon much more quickly...I don't know about you, but when I die my 15 seconds spawn time is taken up by fetching/opening beer, mumbling directions from beyond the grave or trying to sort out what class/where to spawn. I v. rarely check the sides...

It's just 1 of those things...

I really enjoyed my BF2 on dMw tonight....almost to 1.00 am!! ....that's a record :narnar:

[Norm]

Got to agree with Dewey,felt like I was just waiting to spawn for most of the time I was there,no fun. :nope: But as mentioned its alot more difficult to rectify than it is in cs/cz.Never mind,karland made up for it. :dribble:

[OldBloke]

Originally posted by Liberator@Dec 19 2005, 11:11 PM
... From our side it looked like a pretty even match.

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Indeed. In fact for most of the time I felt we were on the back foot, particularly when we were struggling to capture the Woodyard without losing the island at the same time.

I must admit I only saw one message which was along the lines of 'Give us one of your pilots'. At the time I didn't equate this to a plea for team balancing. Sorry.

[Dewey]

Well first of all I'd like to apologise to my squad last night - esp as SL I should have stayed but I felt tired and after some 60 mins of bombing my spirit of the blitz had withered and I was to frustrated to continue. If anyones played alongside me they know I love a good hard scrap, difficult or not, but it stopped being fun for me.

Sorry Blunt I don't agree, I don't mind losing the advantage as that implies you can win it back. However they didn't gain the upper hand, they had it at the start and throughout the game and by an overwhelming margin, they had no compeition in the sky and where free to rocket and bomb as they pleased.

I can cope with a few air to air, but 4 vs 0 isn't competitive its a slaughter and it frustrates people.  Hats of too you and the rest of the squad though for for perservering.

While we did indeed do a good job of holding them off, it felt like we had extremely little chance of actually winning. This was borne out by the fact that we couldn't even hold onto any of the bases for any period and inevitably succumbed.

We couldn't bring up tanks/APC's as they'd get bombed/rocketed en route, which made it extremely difficult to hold onto a base - which is why we kept losing them. And as we know its far quicker to cap flags and move people around in helis/planes.

However, I'm still surprised that no-one on the opposition side thought "this is too easy, I don't have any opposition in the sky, no fighters trying to take me out etc?"

FWIW I really enjoyed the previous game  

Originally posted by Blunt@Dec 20 2005, 01:14 AM
tbh I was on your side Dewey, and although I knew it was a bit unbalanced and they had air superiority (I called for 1 of our team to get airborne) I don't think that it spoiled the game...

in fact, it could be argued that it was a realistic fight...1 side gets the upper hand in the air, and the other side has to do what we did, adapt

I thought we did extremely well in the face of advercity

It's much more dificult to keep an eye on team balancing in BF2...in cs it is noticed and acted upon much more quickly...I don't know about you, but when I die my 15 seconds spawn time is taken up by fetching/opening beer, mumbling directions from beyond the grave or trying to sort out what class/where to spawn. I v. rarely check the sides...

It's just 1 of those things...

I really enjoyed my BF2 on dMw tonight....almost to 1.00 am!! ....that's a record :narnar:

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[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 09:09 AM
However, I'm still surprised that no-one on the opposition side thought "this is too easy, I don't have any opposition in the sky, no fighters trying to take me out etc?"

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This is why I asked for comments in my earlier post. As you can see from lib's reply they didn't feel that (in fact their perception was that it was a hard fought balanced map). Everyone will perceive things differently so i guess we all need to remember to use "BALANCE TEAMS PLEASE" in caps to make it more noticeable if you think that things are unbalanced.

We have been playing CS for years and pretty much have it covered, we're new to BF2 and it will be some time yet before everything runs as smoothly as we would like. Incidents like this though are very useful as this is how we learn about what we need to adapt in our approach to BF2 to maximise the enjoyment.

I guess what is important to remember is that nobody in dMw enjoys when it is too easy. Just look through the old posts to see how many times people say "great match last night, we were losing all the way and with a final rally managed to push you back and win match" (or words to that effect). As we become more proficient at BF2 and learn more about the game situations like this should stop happening (fingers crossed).