Does AAS promote 'negative play'?

[Ranger]

Discussion topic for today!

OK, we all know there are optimum flags in every BF2 map where the AAS balance hinges on...

For example; on Karkand it is the Suburbs - hold this and you pretty much have the game won, same on Zatar - get that central hill base and you are laughing...

Key Bases in BF2:

Dalian Plant - The Warehouse
Daqing Oilfields - The Cistern
Dragon Valley - The Woodyard (though everyone knows the USMC is lucky if they get past the Village!)
Fushee Pass - West Mine Entrance
Gulf of Oman - perhaps the Hotel, but this map is perhaps the most fluid
Kubra Dam - Maintence Yard

...etc, etc, etc...


In effect, once you have these key central bases in AAS there is little incentive to push on as you know you are playing for tickets after that.

To be fair, on Karkand this usually happens at the Train Wreck ~ the USMC advance just seems to stop and then it becomes a big sniper fest. The river becomes a barrier to any counter-attack by the MEC and the USMC can just sit AT and armour behind the train and let the MEC guys bang thier heads against a brick wall!

You all know what I mean.

SO - what's my point?

Well, just occassionally it would be nice to practise a 'non-AAS' game ~ I'm not going to suggest another 'night' on Meathook as these are starting to pile up (SF night, Infantry only night, Jeep only night, etc)...

Just maybe every couple of weeks we have a non-AAS game, nothing set - just as the mood takes us.

[BIG-Glen]

after playing on the dMw server ive started to hate just the normal  way of playing the game

 i was on a ranked server last night playing commander on Songhua Stalemate and everytime i gave out an order the sqaud seemed to follow but there were only a few sqauds to cover all bases, so each time a sqaud moved off, the base was over run. so it seem imposable to win<_<

so i belive that AAS is a much better way of playing the game because you atually need team work and you dont end up losing a base futher back and having to go and lone wolf it back. -_-

so im not realy to bothered about the idea of having a 'non-AAS' game but if there are people wanting to try it out i wont be against it, so it may be a good idea if others want to try it out.

[delanvital]

As with Glen, I also prefer AAS, but a game of vanilla BF2 would be nice. I am up for it.

[Ranger]

This is a major problem with ranked servers - everyone wants to attack and no one wants to stay back and defend (the attackers invariably get more points).

On dMw everyone seems willing to 'do thier duty' and take on the boring job of defending.

In every game I have SL'ed I have had to ask for a volunteer to stay back and I have never had a lack of volunteers.

HOWEVER - I should point out that there are non-AAS servers out there that do play in a mature and tactical way...

You will have seen Tactical Gamer mention on this forum many times - we have a very good relationship with these guys (dMw play regularly on thier 64 player N0. 1 server often)...

Here you will find that commanders will ask specific squads to defend - and squads and individuals play for the 'team win'.

Many of the guys who like to play commander on here are American, and they tend to take the role seriously (as do the Squad Leaders).

Unfortunately the majority of ranked servers playing non-AAS are completely unmoderated without an Admin in sight, so play can degenerate into a complete free for all.

I have seen people warned and then kicked on TG servers for immature play or cheating. But unfortunately servers like dMw and TG are few and far between.

[Maus]

As a BF2 noob I'm not sure what I think, but at the moment I prefer the freer play on TG to the choke point after choke point style of AAS. However, since TG gets full 64-player games and the Hook has smaller teams AAS I guess makes sense there.

[Ranger]

Originally posted by Maus@Jan 3 2006, 02:09 PM
As a BF2 noob I'm not sure what I think, but at the moment I prefer the freer play on TG to the choke point after choke point style of AAS. However, since TG gets full 64-player games and the Hook has smaller teams AAS I guess makes sense there.

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Yep - that' the point. As we get smaller teams we use AAS to concentrate the action in a smaller area.

Thus we get as much action on Meathook as a TG game (as on teh TG server squads tend to be spread out).



...However, if you like to play SpecOps and go behind enemy lines there is less point in AAS. Pity.

[Sn00ks]

As Spec Ops you can still go behind the lines. You just have to plant C4 on the oppositions tanks and APCs; and when they bring them up you press the little red button!  :dribble:   :devil:   :roflmao:

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Sn00ks@Jan 3 2006, 02:20 PM
As Spec Ops you can still go behind the lines. You just have to plant C4 on the oppositions tanks and APCs; and when they bring them up you press the little red button! :dribble:  :devil:  :roflmao:

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There is never any reason to enter UCB on the hook due to the lack of commander.

personally I'm not a big fan of people sneaking way past the point of combat to steal any vehicle. especially US stealing tanks and AP's from the last base in 64 player karkand, when the combat is still at the suburbs (Before anybody says anything. I know it's allowed)

[Armitage]

back to the original point

AAS Rocks  :rockon: The only way to play  :dmw:

Originally posted by Ranger@Jan 3 2006, 09:13 AM
Discussion topic for today!

OK, we all know there are optimum flags in every BF2 map where the AAS balance hinges on...

For example; on Karkand it is the Suburbs - hold this and you pretty much have the game won, same on Zatar - get that central hill base and you are laughing...

Key Bases in BF2:

Dalian Plant - The Warehouse
Daqing Oilfields - The Cistern
Dragon Valley - The Woodyard (though everyone knows the USMC is lucky if they get past the Village!)
Fushee Pass - West Mine Entrance
Gulf of Oman - perhaps the Hotel, but this map is perhaps the most fluid
Kubra Dam - Maintence Yard

...etc, etc, etc...
In effect, once you have these key central bases in AAS there is little incentive to push on as you know you are playing for tickets after that.

To be fair, on Karkand this usually happens at the Train Wreck ~ the USMC advance just seems to stop and then it becomes a big sniper fest. The river becomes a barrier to any counter-attack by the MEC and the USMC can just sit AT and armour behind the train and let the MEC guys bang thier heads against a brick wall!

You all know what I mean.

SO - what's my point?

Well, just occassionally it would be nice to practise a 'non-AAS' game ~ I'm not going to suggest another 'night' on Meathook as these are starting to pile up (SF night, Infantry only night, Jeep only night, etc)...

Just maybe every couple of weeks we have a non-AAS game, nothing set - just as the mood takes us.

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[OldBloke]

Non-AAS = whack-a-mole  <_<

[outofsync]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Jan 3 2006, 06:27 PM
Non-AAS = whack-a-mole <_<

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I'm with OB on that one, great game the other night on SAK2 and SAK. Armitage you had 62 kills on SAK2.. nice one! You dont see those kind of scores on many ranked servers..

on a side note anyone seen this before?

[BIG-Glen]

yer ive seen stuff like that quite a bit.

how do u post pictures?? :huh:

[Armitage]

add links to your personal web space you get from your isp

[BIG-Glen]

where do i find my personal web space??

[Armitage]

i use blueyonder as my isp. they give me 5 or 10 meg free webspace.

who is you isp? take a look at your isp's homepage. you should find out there.