Leaving

Sinap · March 08, 2006, 08:23:23 PM

In reply to addys post, the thing is, if you dont want to raid "hardcore" and only when it suits you, kinda thing, then thats what RG2 is. For those who dont have time to raid every night, its not like saying, hey, get in the retard group, its for the more social raiders, who want to raid, but not on the scale of the hardcore raiders.

Dalto · March 08, 2006, 09:38:30 PM

why did u quit the guild as ur alt sinap

Adularena · March 08, 2006, 10:30:25 PM

I`m not hardcore, I didnt say. Work prevents me from being hardcore. But the idea of having guardians was good, untill they made som many guardians that they didnt need to get defenders in even. The rank of Defender is obsolete.

With all my milage in MC, why on earth would I want to go back? Now I see rogues getting my BWL loot and fun without having a base to be there. I do damage for 3 tier 0 rogues at ieg. Vael fight. So when you guys "optimize" your raids, you dont OPTIMIZE them enough. If you want a raid to have progress, you use what you got at the given time the raid invites goes out and the customisation period is in effect. If you are so stuck up in the guardians that that prevents "optimization" of a raid (my fire res and damage + stats over a "new" rogue`s) Then the Guardian classes are just to make things easier for the officers and prevent moaning.

I could have been an officer in sog and do nothing at all, just show up for raids when it suited me, BINGO! free raid spot. I wont do that. I love(d) SoG! SoG was great! Everyone could lend a hand in the SoG raids, and we made it work.

Sog as of now is Bummed out! I wont take no part in taking soul out of SoG. I leave SoG so I dont have to see it when you guys realize that there is only uardians left in SoG.

"it is not far from Capitol wherever to the cliffs of wherever"

I could leave SoG because the ties between it and myself was deterioated.

There is only one Addy and Addy is tred of not getting what is rightfully his. Addy doesnt like to see his fellow SoG comrades that have Zero, nill, null 0% chance of getting in unless ppl leave because of wipes. Addy leaves. (for the cavemen)

Neff · March 08, 2006, 10:38:00 PM

Neff's sad (caveman) I've said it a million times,especially when i talked to you yesterday, i'd really like it if you swallowed your pride and joined but sadly this isnt gonna happen, buf if you wanna come back noone has a grudge against you and we'd love to have you back.

Dalto · March 09, 2006, 03:03:56 AM

yeah, i understand everythin u said, as i said when we were grouped today.

But still,as Neff said, it would be great to see you back, but obviously would understand if your decision remains.

Still gonna be groupin if silithus anyway

Yliana · March 12, 2006, 04:57:57 PM

hi addy

I know exactly how you're feeling.

I've had my break from wow now about a month, and I'm back fulltime. but the officers wont make me a guardian now, because they have gotten new guardian hunters in the guild. I'm not saying that I'm better than they are, but I have better gear, and I would believe more raidingexperience.

and I clearly stated that I wanted a spot when I got back

they have a wote going now, I really hope I get a Guardian status.

sorry to hear/see that you've left us:(

Neff · March 12, 2006, 05:44:50 PM

The thing with guardian spots was : First come first serve. Dont think the officers would have made you a guardian if you wasnt playing, break or not.
Its 6 per guardian spot, and 7 per priest (special case) and every single place is taken afaik.

Didnt mean to be negative in this post , it just came out that way.

Lucian · March 12, 2006, 07:25:46 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Yliana@Mar 12 2006, 05:57 PM
hi addy

I know exactly how you're feeling.

I've had my break from wow now about a month, and I'm back fulltime. but the officers wont make me a guardian now, because they have gotten new guardian hunters in the guild. I'm not saying that I'm better than they are, but I have better gear, and I would believe more raidingexperience.

and I clearly stated that I wanted a spot when I got back
they have a wote going now, I really hope I get a Guardian status.
sorry to hear/see that you've left us:(
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Well, you're in same boat as me. The way I'm gonna look at it mate, is that I'm (hopefully) going to be one of the key hunters in RG2. You will too, given the experience and kit you have.

In all seriousness, with a decent turn out of experienced defenders, the only bosses in MC that will give any trouble are Domo and Ragnaros. Its definitely doable!

Neff · March 12, 2006, 08:34:10 PM

Maybe Garr if you have unexperienced locks too Lucian.

Yliana · March 13, 2006, 10:08:58 AM

yes lucian, but the thing is that I dont need anything in MC any longer(a few items maybe)...and I'm not interested in starting with MC all over with a new grp...even tho we'll have great progress.

and I dont think it is fair that some ppl just join the guild, starts with farming MC and doing BWL regulary at once, and ppl that have worked their hands to the bone to get that MC farming status dont get a spot.

would be more fair if we put new members in RG2

Bob · March 13, 2006, 12:22:09 PM

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would be more fair if we put new members in RG2
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That is a good point! But there would most likely be quite a fuss about it from those "new" (and how do you define "new" as well - member for less than 1 month....?) members that than would be bumped down to RG2 :blink:

It's a delicat hand harde case :huh:

Yliana · March 15, 2006, 09:09:59 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Threbrilith@Mar 13 2006, 01:22 PM
It's a delicat hand harde case :huh:
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sure is, but take for example the new hunters, they have gear to do MC mostly..and to go BWL with just a few epics is the same as going MC with a few blues and mostly greens..

putting ppl that dont need things from MC in a MC grp, and ppl that need MC things in a BWL grp is kinda stupid(sure they do MC too, but should work a bit with their epics before going to BWL)

I've worked like so many months to get that MC farming status, and I feel that it is kinda unfair when it comes new ppl and just get that farming status right in their hands without a single hour spent in getting it. and we that have done MC over and over and over again to be allowed to go BWL dont get a spot.

in my point of view BWL is a bonus to us that have worked hard to get epics and raided many months to make progress in MC. to be perfectly honest, I'm sick and tired of MC, and the new hunters can as well get my spot there(if I had a spot)...just as long as I can join the BWL grp that I've worked so hard to get where it is.

this is talking in general, I use hunters as an example because I'm familiar with them.

TeaLeaf · March 15, 2006, 10:43:03 AM

This started with Adu leaving and seems to have then moved on to other people. So to bring this thread to a close:

The bottom line is that decisions have to be made. The Officers looked at all available options and solutions and and made decisions that they thought would provide the Guild with the best possible outcome. The debate surrounding why the decisions were made will remain private as it was a discussion within the Officer section. Debating it will not change that fact.

The majority of the problems in this thread seems to relate to the lack of positions available in Guardian ranks to those returning, but you need to remember that the Officers only recruited to fill a class need, we don't do it to deliberately annoy people.

I can sympathise to an extent with someone who already has a lot of T1 gear and comes back to WoW to find that their is no space in the Guardian ranks, but the point is that when there were spaces then by definition we had a class need and the Officers recruited in good faith to fill that need. This led some people (now members) to leave previous Guilds to join us for that Guardian rank and it would be dishonourable for us now to bump them to Defender and unfair to Guardians to create an additional Guardian slot to accommodate a 'special' case. The Guild made a commitment to Guardians in return for a commitment to raid - we intend to keep it.

If you take a break from WoW then it is reasonable to expect that a class need may arise, particularly if there are no posts to explain what is going on.
It is also reasonable to expect that the other members and the Guild keep moving forward in your absence.
Expecting to be able to take up an old position and for nothing to have changed is less reasonable.

These are my personal views, my 2 cents, but I hope that they will bring this thread to a conclusion.

TL.

noevra · March 15, 2006, 10:58:50 AM

evry one know im not happy how things went with the new chance's
But i have to agree with TL on this. If you had a "break" of wow. The ones that stayed lost a raid member. We had to fill that spot up. Now your back. and your more then welcome. But we cant say well that ather hunter but a old member is back so bugger off. Its a hard desision, i know. And i dont know a good salusion to it. Yust glad im not a officair :blush:

Neff · March 15, 2006, 01:03:47 PM

The amazing thing about the stuff you write TL, is that its almost the same as the kind guy who lifts up a brat who's just fallen and scraped his knee and says "its gonna be allright" now dont run so fast next time or you'l be the cause of your knee getting hurt.

That sounded kinda tarded, but the way you explain things to the unhappy people works 9/10's of the times. and hopefully people understands it:)

oh and i dont do this ass-kissing to get me stuff, just seems that way :unsure: