WTB more ppl for MC runs

[jantore]

Im not sure what's going on but id realy like to see more ppl on MC runs.

RG1 and RG2 where very low on ppl today. I know ppl have RL things to do. But it's to bad it happens when we are in MC when we have 2 raid groups to fill up. When we are in BWL we have more then enough ppl from RG2 that want's to join. And they are doing a great jobb on filling those spaces.

JT

[Dajo]

Fully agree on JT here.

[Deadlyspirit]

Yeah agree from here aswell.

RG2 missed especialy paladins for todays run.

[Nefrion]

Regarding this pally issue. I do have a level 60 pally with pretty good gear and I dont mind bringing him to a raid without getting any items (just as long as Nefrion still gets full DKP)

What is the officers/raid leaders oppinion on bringing alts on special occasions when we are to few of a specific class to finish a raid?

[Bastet]

alts are allowed on very special cases (as in when we need them to do bosses, like mages for domo, locks for garr) but they are not actively encouraged to join.

as of the low attendance it was more RG1 ppl missing then RG2, just a friendly word of warning, if this low attendance keeps "up" for the next 2 weeks we will consider recruiting even more raiding members. this will mean that if all ppl where to become active (like we had w/ priests a while back) there will be a massive overflow....

[Nefrion]

RG2 had also a problem yesterday with members. When we started in MC we almost had a full raid. The problem was that we had 8 hunters, 7 warriors and just two paladins.

One day it is hunters we are short on another day it is warlocks and a third day its paladins.
Which classes to ginvite as it is different classes we need every time?

[Bastet]

you see now the problem that the officers have, if attendance varies wildy we have to make sure we have a lot of ppl of each class, this includes more of every class and beeing selective about invites, as in, invite 5 of each class and see how that goes. or maybe we need to redo the rules stating that over a 3 week period you need to attend 4 out of 6 raids.

(note this is just me thinking out loud, dont take my words for fact as what the officers told )

[sitha]

Originally posted by Bastet@Apr 28 2006, 10:19 AM
you see now the problem that the officers have, if attendance varies wildy we have to make sure we have a lot of ppl of each class, this includes more of every class and beeing selective about invites, as in, invite 5 of each class and see how that goes. or maybe we need to redo the rules stating that over a 3 week period you need to attend 4 out of 6 raids.

(note this is just me thinking out loud, dont take my words for fact as what the officers told )

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You have basically two options if you wanna keep RG2 as a casual raiding group. Either accept the fact that you will be low on people and class balance will be in shambles now and then, or recruit more people and deal with the fact that from time to time you won't be able to raid because the raid is full.

[Menedil]

sorry i wasnt there, i was working on a coursework that needs to be handed in today in a few hours :/

[sitha]

Originally posted by sitha@Apr 28 2006, 10:27 AM
You have basically two options if you wanna keep RG2 as a casual raiding group. Either accept the fact that you will be low on people and class balance will be in shambles now and then, or recruit more people and deal with the fact that from time to time you won't be able to raid because the raid is full.

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Gonna reply to myself here . Actually there is another option when RG2 have their own raid and class leaders. Move their raiding days to other days then RG1's raiding days. That way RG1 people can help with their alts if they want to or even mains if RG1 at some point stops doing MC.

[Nefrion]

Originally posted by sitha@Apr 28 2006, 09:27 AM
You have basically two options if you wanna keep RG2 as a casual raiding group. Either accept the fact that you will be low on people and class balance will be in shambles now and then, or recruit more people and deal with the fact that from time to time you won't be able to raid because the raid is full.

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Regardless which option we choose this is not benefitting the raid group it self. We will never be able to advance to BWL with many people in RG2 because we will not get the items nescesarry. It will take tremendous time to build up a solid raid with many RG2 members.

Catch my drift?

[jantore]

Originally posted by Nefrion@Apr 28 2006, 09:45 AM
Regardless which option we choose this is not benefitting the raid group it self. We will never be able to advance to BWL with many people in RG2 because we will not get the items nescesarry. It will take tremendous time to build up a solid raid with many RG2 members.

Catch my drift?

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Yes but u will not be able to go to BWL with 32 ppl. Once the Officers and ppl from RG1 leaves, it will be a problem. We had 30 ppl in RG1 yesterday and it went verry slow. For BWL u need to clear MC in on night. That did not happen.

And at the moment i don't see any problem inviting more ppl in, cause frankly we do not have enough ppl to fill slots in either RG1 or RG2.

When we started yesterday we where like 62 lvl 60 ppl online. That means 18 spots are open. This should not happen. We have enough lvl 60 ppl to almost fill a 3rd raid group but this should not be necesary. So ppl please be online for raid days,

RG1 has 48 ppl in it. At the moment we have about 34 ppl that are online for the RG1 raids, this to low. We should be 42-48 RG1 ppl online for raid days. I thought u guys wanted to raid all the time. That was the reason for RG1.

Ofc somthing might happne.  Oh and i think we should change the attendance in RG1 to 5/6 over a 2 week periode. Not 2/3 in one week.

JT

[Bob]

Originally posted by Bastet+Apr 28 2006, 08:00 AM-->

QUOTE(Bastet @ Apr 28 2006, 08:00 AM)

just a friendly word of warning, if this low attendance keeps "up" for the next 2 weeks we will consider recruiting even more raiding members. this will mean that if all ppl where to become active (like we had w/ priests a while back) there will be a massive overflow....

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QUOTE(jantore @ Apr 28 2006, 09:59 AM)

And at the moment i don't see any problem inviting more ppl in, cause frankly we do not have enough ppl to fill slots in either RG1 or RG2.

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We should be 42-48 RG1 ppl online for raid days. I thought u guys wanted to raid all the time. That was the reason for RG1.

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Please don't start screaming for more invites just because attendance is low for a period of time.

SOG has never been a pure hardcore raiding guild.  Yes, we did take a step closer to that when we started deviding into RG1 and RG2, but still we manage to keep it a a semi-hardcore level - at least I think we do, and I really like that

The member should be able to adapt to the Guild, the Guild's needs, the Guild's raiding schedule and so on, BUT the Guild should also be able to adapt to it's member needs.

I will quote myself from a post I made in the "Ending MC thread";

[TeaLeaf]

It is very unusual for RG1 to be short on an OL/MC night, so attendance in RG1 is probably not yet a problem.  RG2 is still settling and remember we have not yet filled all the recruitment slots.  At the moment things continue as they are, but Threb if such a situation for low attendance continued and there was no sign of it changing then the only logical thing to do is to get more people involved.  That's not screaming, it's not threatening, it's just common sense.  We're not there yet, but it is the logical conclusion of runnign raids with too few people.

At the moment we have enough members to take Ragnaros down in both Raid Groups.  I'd like to see RG2 recruitment needs filled fully and then let attendance settle a bit before reviewing again.  Last night I am hoping was just an abheration.

TL.

[Bob]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Apr 28 2006, 10:49 AM
but Threb if such a situation for low attendance continued and there was no sign of it changing then the only logical thing to do is to get more people involved. That's not screaming, it's not threatening, it's just common sense. We're not there yet, but it is the logical conclusion of runnign raids with too few people.

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Yes, that is of course very true TL.

My point was only that you can't start making conclusions about too low attendance based on just a few raids.  I'd say you'd need at least 2-3 weeks before you can say that it's time to recruit more members