On subject of 20 man instances

[Nefrion]

As far as remember TL had to come on TS and kick one during that raid. Am I remembering correct there Bastet?

[Bastet]

not sure really, but i really like for TS on 20 man to be focused most the time, like our 40 man raids are, if that is possible ill be happy

[lunares]

Originally posted by Nefrion@May 4 2006, 02:07 PM
As far as remember TL had to come on TS and kick one during that raid. Am I remembering correct there Bastet?

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That run no one was kicked from TS however is asked TL to do that yes. And asking that in guildchat was enough for the time beeing it seemed then.

Lunares

[TeaLeaf]

Just so you know - all Officers have the TS server permissions to kick some one from any TS channel.  In addition, Luna and Mene are appointed Channel Admins for the AQ and ZG TS channels, so can also apply a channel kick if needed form a 20 person raid.

TL.

[Knabbel]

Well let's first focus and start kicking the mobs as hard and fast as possible.... I'm sure it can be done!!!!

 

[Lucian]

My tuppence worth on the TS situation:

For a while now I have been aware of my lack of discipline on TS.  I don't think I'll ever be perfect, but I have been trying to improve.  One comment by an officer recently was that he missed the strange noise I produced when I panicked.  That made me happy, I was now able to panic without inducing chaos.

Then there was the incident last week which led to my decision to stand down as a raider - partly my fault for provoking the situation, although I feel my concentration was improved by not having several others talking to me; and I feel I did not deserve to be spoken to the way I was.  Interpret that as you will - I consider my performance on that evening to have been the best it had ever been in BWL.

So why am I posting as a non raider? Well my feelings are this: if TS is going to make the experience of a raid, 20 man or 40 man less interesting then I'm not going to use it as much.  The banter or craic of the event is more appealing than the kill - I want progress, but not at the expense of enjoyment.

So where does this leave me? Boss fights, or complicated pulls require concentration.  Therefore idle chat stops or is minimised during these periods.

If people disagree with me thats fine, quite honestly I don't care.  I play the game and enjoy the company of the gamers I play with - and TS allows me to do that.  If an officer orders me to be silent for the good for the raid then I will - but it needs to be an order, and an order arising from policy, and an order which is applied equally and fairly.

Discrimination is not the solution - nor, in my mind is draconian discipline when its not needed.  A sensible, balanced approach is.  

If or when I return to raiding with everyone, hopefully this will have settled down.

Feel free to send me a whisper or discuss this with me - please don't use it to flame me behind my back.  Public discussion of a problem is much more preferable to hidden whispers and silent criticisms.

[Bob]

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One comment by an officer recently was that he missed the strange noise I produced when I panicked. That made me happy, I was now able to panic without inducing chaos.

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I'm missing that too Lucian - honestly :huggy:

[Neff]

"For a while now I have been aware of my lack of discipline on TS. I don't think I'll ever be perfect, but I have been trying to improve. One comment by an officer recently was that he missed the strange noise I produced when I panicked. That made me happy, I was now able to panic without inducing chaos.

I really like our mindless banter on TS, but at our current level we should keep our ts clean in BWL.

But in MC! Thats our arena, we pwn mc, im not taking it lightly but wth, we do it with less than 40 ppl and its in Mc i really think the TS "blooms" especially with guys like YOu on ts Lucian I do miss addy's "dirtyness" though (dont bend it Umbra )

[Ragnarh]

As I hav posted on the old frums  and now again:

I like a livler TS. It is a game  and we are here to have fun.
When TS is quiet it is cause we Fed upp and are sulking. I like to releaes it  during ressing troug humor (mostly dirty). If you want a silent clean TS then say so and I'l make my own channel , where I wil rant and rave and have fun while you kick yourself and sulk in silence.

TS and mindless banter is what I like when raiding. Whiping is no fun at all.

[Sinap]

@Lucian : Nicely put mate, and I agree with most of what you said there. When I was raiding, I enjoyed the chats and the funny stuff on TS and G Chat and raids and stuff, most of the time more than the actual raiding itself. Its funny, and I like having a laugh with friends. However, I did notice that just before I stopped, it was becoming a lot more moderated and actions were taken to prevent this sometimes, something which I didn't agree with, which made it a little less fun for me, and sometimes pissed me off a little. But whatever.

[Asheera]

Originally posted by Lucian@May 4 2006, 03:50 PM
My tuppence worth on the TS situation:

If people disagree with me thats fine, quite honestly I don't care. I play the game and enjoy the company of the gamers I play with - and TS allows me to do that. If an officer orders me to be silent for the good for the raid then I will - but it needs to be an order, and an order arising from policy, and an order which is applied equally and fairly.

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this is a damn addicting game but still a game so u have to have fun and that doesn't mean u HAVE to raid ! if u enjoy spamming on TS instead or whatever do it as much as u can
btw a miss a little your cramps have a trip to greet us in TS sometime

[Padding]

RA-RA-RA-RAGNARH

H-H-H-H-H-Hamburger

As I hav posted on the old frums and now again:

I like a livler TS. It is a game and we are here to have fun.
When TS is quiet it is cause we Fed upp and are sulking. I like to releaes it during ressing troug humor (mostly dirty). If you want a silent clean TS then say so and I'l make my own channel , where I wil rant and rave and have fun while you kick yourself and sulk in silence.

TS and mindless banter is what I like when raiding. Whiping is no fun at all.

[Umbra]

(dont bend it Umbra)

Don't worry Neff I don't always do that, though it usually attests to my level of anger when I don't.

I expected a couple of threads like this since tuesday night, and was waiting to see how it was going to play out before saying anything, and indeed it seems like the replies here along with a few chats I've had have vindicated me somewhat.

I could go on to specify people who feel it's necessary to find blame for wipes etc, or make someone feel bad in such circumstances, however I don't think it would do much good as it would cause more enmity, dischord and frankly those who continue to treat people this way clearly don't actually care how people feel anyway.

After a long chat on tuesday night it was agreed that my kind of humour and banter is not acceptable in TS in ZG/AQ raids, this is fair enough, if at least one person is distracted 10 minutes later by what i said, during a boss pull then I apologise, however I have yet to speak to a resser who ressed more slowly or a puller who died, or a tank who lost aggro because I mentioned b00bies 5 -10 minutes previously.  Fortunately an amicable agreement was reached in that I won't be joining raids where the general atmosphere does not mesh well with my personality. Though I am heartened to hear that the original SoG spirit is still around...

To all of you out there, if my chat distracts you from doing your job on a boss, please tell me so at the time, if you simply don't like the sound of my voice, then mute me . To those who are adamant that TS banter causes wipes, RG2 with myself, Ragnarh, Tanales and the rest had a great run, downed Shazz before midnight, everyone was in a good mood, lots of TS banter, plenty of rudeness, not a single boss wipe, including ony (RG2 doesn't pwn mc yet, so this is cool). So if the wipes on Ossirian continue, and I hope they don't, please think before you decide to go mardy at people. When you've alienated them all and he's still not down you'll just look silly

One last thing, if you feel the need to leave a raid early, don't decide to blame me 'Umbra is giving me a headache', you can easily mute my channel if you wanted, so stop being so TANGO-ing childish, attempt to cast disfavour if you will, but at least be more professional about it.

[StrontiumDog]

b00bies

mmmm b00bies

[Menedil]

Originally posted by Umbra@May 5 2006, 10:30 AM
After a long chat on tuesday night it was agreed that my kind of humour and banter is not acceptable in TS in ZG/AQ raids, this is fair enough, if at least one person is distracted 10 minutes later by what i said, during a boss pull then I apologise, however I have yet to speak to a resser who ressed more slowly or a puller who died, or a tank who lost aggro because I mentioned b00bies 5 -10 minutes previously. Fortunately an amicable agreement was reached in that I won't be joining raids where the general atmosphere does not mesh well with my personality. Though I am heartened to hear that the original SoG spirit is still around...

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*sigh*

Like i said repeatedly, we dont mind banter, hell i encourage it... WHEN we dont need to be focused on getting something done. As far as im concerned, from the second we take down the last obsidian guardian, to the time that ossirian drops/we move on etc, we (i.e. everyone) needs to get their head into the game and figure out why the hell we didnt take this guy down two months ago. Yes, this includes the time we're taking recovering from a wipe, we're obviously doing something wrong, and ignoring it isnt helping us any.

Luna, Kreg and myself put a lot of effort into these raids, and we dont ask for anything in return, but it would be nice if the whole raid could show a similar will to succeed.

Mene.