On subject of 20 man instances

[Bastet]

On the subject of these boss fights and 20 man raid instances:

These instances are not eazyer as the 40 man raids, there just smaller, and it annoys me imensly that ppl see these raids as a way to joke, fool, mess arround on TS all night, and its very hard at times to make anysense out of it, or to understand the raid leader trying to tell something. So i would like to request that ppl moderate themselfs like they do on 40 man raids, there is no endless dodgy conversation there. so why should there be in 20 man instances?

It is normaly a few ppl that annoy most the others, i wont name any1, you should know if your one of them or not.

Please dont take personal offense, but i just had to say this.

[TeaLeaf]

In which case I take note of your comments and apologise as I am one of the ones who take a 'looser' approach to 20 person instances, I see it (maybe incorrectly) as a 'night off' from the 40 person raids.  why do I see it as a night off?  I find the 20 man instances are generally easier than 40 man instances because they need less coordination and control (Ossirian excepted, but then TS was quiet during that prep and fight) - it's easier to handle 20 people than 40, that's why I feel more relaxed.  On the other hand looking at it from Luna's or Mene's perspective they still have a job to do, so on balance you're probably right, I'll try to restrict my TS joviality on 20 person raids.  Maybe I'll transfer it to the 40 person raids instead

TL.

[sitha]

In my humble and uneducated opinion AQ20 and ZG are in some ways harder then MC. In MC you can get away with some people slacking, since you have only 20 people in AQ20/ZG everyone has to focus and do their best.

I also find AQ extremely hard because of the compulsion to vomit I get when I approach it

[lunares]

Personally i do not mind some jabbering on TS. However what i do see even if it happens not a bossfight it takes away focus. We have had this a few times now in the 20 man and thats not the reason we have TS. Ts is very handy and yes its also fun which also should happen but it should not take away the focus we have.
And on the topic if AQ/ZG is more easy then BWL my answer is yes but if i look at AQ/ZG from MC then it differs not much for me. MC is more kill all and ZG is more tactics based. And AQ is mostly easy except the rajaxx event and ossirian. (but try moam without enough manadrain :narnar: )

Lunares

[Nefrion]

I think we have to take in to consideration that for some people AQ20 is a new instance. Maybe for TL it is an easy instance but for 1st timers it is hard to learn these fights if people do no take them seriously.

As you mentioned yourself TL it is a night off from the 40 man raids. IMO that is exactly why you need to take it more serious. It is a raid open for all guild members, also the ones not in RG1 or RG2. I think we should take it serious and give both people who arent in the raid groups and people who would like to learn the fights in AQ20 possibility to do so.

[Nefertem]

Well Nefrion its not like AQ have been around for ages and the jabbering raidmembers are all experts cos they've tried it a million times.. its new to everyone..

And I do understand the concern about the RL not getting his messages out and ppl not listening, but Id rather not see the 20 man raids turned into some dead-serious raid.. I mean a great part of the raid is enjoying it, and if you aint allowed to have a bit of fun on TS that'll remove a bit of that fun..
But as I said just before, I still understand the problem.. Ppl can just turn down their jabbering and joking a such.. No reason to turn it off  

[Bastet]

i am not saying they shouldnt joke at all, i am just asking they dont joke for 4 hours straight, if you join a 40 man raid you get maybe an hour of joking and fooling and 3 hours of relative serieous conversation. Shouldnt be to hard to get that in a 20 man raid too

[Knabbel]

Yep I agree on that to Bastet. Ofc sometimes it is hilarius (the cramp legg case  :roflmao: for instance) but as Lunares says.....in the end people will get less focussed and that is something that will be punished @ high level instances. Fully equiped BRD run isn't that difficult but the level bosses in AQ and ZG can kill you within one blow....stay focussed on buffs, debuffs, healing, tactics etc..... Second attempt on Rajaxx when way better then the first attempt yesterday at AQ20. So explaining tactics, know what to do and listen to read leader or very essential for a succes kill. And faults will alway be made, but at least let's try it to narrow it down....

[Bastet]

Originally posted by Knabbel@May 4 2006, 01:12 PM
And faults will alway be made, but at least let's try it to narrow it down....

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Yeh, but lets try to make new ones then the same old ones every week.

[Luthor]

I agree Luna, ill try to shut my bonghole a bit, though i will never stop commenting things im thinking could've been done better

[Bastet]

luthor for raid group 2 raid leader, then you have all nite to try to do everything better

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by Bastet@May 4 2006, 01:44 PM
luthor for raid group 2 raid leader, then you have all nite to try to do everything better

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I thought you said you were making JT apply for that one?  

TL.

[Nefrion]

I still remember the AQ run where we didnt even were close to getting down Moam because a few ruined it all on TS.

I do agree that playing has to be fun. Thats why we do it. Its okay to joke around on TS just dont let it be on behalf of the progress in the run.

[Bastet]

yeh, but you need 2 raid leaders in case one is away and so TL.

Nefrion: i dont think ill ever forget that run, i was sitting next to marduk and was lstning to his TS where 2 ppl where talking about everything ecept the game for hours on end .... that was terrible

[Neff]

I really love our ts when there's not much to do in a raid (padding's IF trip or whoever it was f.ex) we made a big train and we were talking rubbish on ts as usual

But on bosses, atleast with RG1 we are pretty focused, very on 1st kills
But since i never get the opurtnity to raid the 20 man instances i dont know jack about that place:(