Attendance Levels

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by Deadlyspirit@May 13 2006, 03:07 AM
By this, I dont thing I am the only one in RG2 that have intention on going on to highere and hardere instances then MC and get some even better loot.

Trust me, the Officers do not intend RG2 to be an MC farming club.  We want it to progress.  The motivation is not the loot, but the progress.  In my opinion it would eventuially be great to see us both progressign through the same instances in parallel helping each other develop the tactics and raid controls needed for each boss.  After OL & MC comes BWL, after BWL comes........well, there some choices there but there are lots of things to do beyond BWL.

TL.

[Nefertem]

Originally posted by Mazii@May 13 2006, 10:16 AM

These are the people I havent seen attending much:
Hunters: Priori
Mages: Dynastar, Silicon
Paladins: Lovecraft, Sheperdbook (for the last 3 weeks)
Rogues: Eple
Warlocks: Orthbarty (last 3 weeks), Deathbringer, Soari, Jian

I'm not saying they should be kicked or anything, but as I see it we have to do something about it.

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Well Shep has just ended his Exams, which has been going on for the last 3-4 weeks.. DB quit WoW some weeks ago if im correct? Aint Dynastar a new one who's first raid was MC this Thursday? Dunno about the rest tho..

[Bob]

Originally posted by Mazii@May 13 2006, 10:16 AM
These are the people I havent seen attending much:
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I'm not saying they should be kicked or anything, but as I see it we have to do something about it.

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That post was totally out of place Mazi.  Naming spesific people in that way (whatever your intentions were), does not belong in a public forum - especially when it comes to RG2 members.

I briefly mentioned this in another post earlier in this thread, and the reason why RG2 was made at all, was to have a place to "put" the casual raiders.  That's the one and single diffefrence between RG1 and RG2: RG1 = hard-core raiders who are demanded to meet a minimum attendance level, RG2 = casual raiders who may raid when they want to.  It's as easy as that!

So please don't expose somebody to public contempt the way you just did (my personal oppinion is that some of the moderators go into that post and censor the names mentioned) - if you have a problem with people, please make a private PM to one of the officers about it

Edit: sorry if I seemed a bit harsh here, but I thnk it's a very serious matter.

[Mazii]

It wasnt my reason to offence any people at all, and I'm sorry if I did. I just said that those people havent been raiding as much. As Nefertem states about Sheperdbook, he has exams and thats totally cool with me - and maybe other people have to and then thats cool.

Another thing; when you apply as Defender you have to say if you can raid regularly mondays and thursdays, why take people in that dont want to raid?

[Neff]

Because sog isnt all about raiding? When we started we didnt even have a lvl 60, before Irulan & Silverthorn that is.

We raid, and we put a great matter of time and money into raiding yes, but why take in ppl that wont raid? take Toff & digernes, RL mates and toff is my twin, he isnt of any "Use" to sog, but to take part in /gchat and help out with what he can contribute.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Mazii@May 13 2006, 01:35 PM
Another thing; when you apply as Defender you have to say if you can raid regularly mondays and thursdays, why take people in that dont want to raid?

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I assume that the Officers try not to bring in new members that can't raid on a somewhat regular basis, but we also have a big member group who has been SOG members since long before the Guardian/Defender thingy started.  Those folks should also be given the opportunity to raid, without having to commit to it in such a way as the RG1 members have to do.

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Neff+May 13 2006, 02:44 PM-->

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Because sog isnt all about raiding? When we started we didnt even have a lvl 60, before Irulan & Silverthorn that is.

We raid, and we put a great matter of time and money into raiding yes, but why take in ppl that wont raid? take Toff & digernes, RL mates and toff is my twin, he isnt of any "Use" to sog, but to take part in /gchat and help out with what he can contribute.

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I think you misunderstood me. Bringing people in as Defenders that cant raid i meant.

[TeaLeaf]

It's degrees of flexibility.  RG1 is meant to be more demanding, less flexible with minimum attendance standards - it's meant to be raid group aiming to conquer the top instance bosses - and that's what it does.  RG2 is meant to be a raid group with more flexibility, allowing those who wish to raid the ability to do so without the commitment to raid - the double edged sword is that in RG2 there is no guarantee you'll get a place because if everyone turns uip to raid there will be some people left out of the raid.  That's the deal and the Officers try to recruit to Defender only those with a availability to raid as we want RG2 to have the right number of people to do a raid.  If people don't want to raid then that's cool too, we just ask them to apply as Soldier.  This gives existing members the support they need for RG2, whilst still allowing more flexibility to them for the future.

TL.

[Neff]

I think you misunderstood me. Bringing people in as Defenders that cant raid i meant.

Well, the whole point of defenders are that they can raid when they want too.

[Deadlyspirit]

I must say now and here then. If it is like that and ppl just can go and come and they want in RG2, there are something I have missed in the signup as I see it.

And that will probely been a stop fro RG2 for me, if it comes so far we cant hold a 40 man raid going on with nearly the same persons every time. So we can make process in the game and have all the fun we have on raids.

Maybe this sounds hard but that is how I have it with that.

[Othbarty]

I can only speak for myselfe, but i relised while reading this thread that i had not posted in the absence/vacation thread why i had not attended to the raids the last three weeks or so, so i added it in

The main reason i play wow as a L60 is to raid MC/OL/BWL etc. and i think its fun as hell to raid with SoG. My work is the only thing that prevented me from applying as a Guardian in the first place, i simply cannot commit to raid 2/3 nights a week, thus RG2 is a perfect fit for me, cous i can join if i can, and if i cant, well, nobody can shoot me for it.

As for the attendance issue, and cancellation of raids the last weeks, well, it sucks... RG1 members should be able to raid every week, atleast 2/3 days. RG2 members cant have the same expectation due to the demands of a Defender. Thats the way it is, period. However theory and practice never seem to agree, and by recruting more members we suddenly had over 80 ppl wanting to raid, fairly often. However, many of these are students in various states in their education, and april-june is high demanding months because of projects, exames and similar stuff. This can, and obvious has, cause attendance problems.

As for ways to handle this, a signup-system such as the one for AQ/ZG might help solve the problem, temporarily, until the exames are over, and those kept from attending to raids because of exames or schoolstuff return to normal.

While writing this i have probably forgotten what i was suppose to reply to a coupple of times, so my appoligies if what i have written is somewhat messed up, it all sounded so good in my head

[StrontiumDog]

Just a thought but maybe some people are beginning to find the schedule a bit of a grind. Possibly the inclusion of doing AQ40 would attract back those players who maybe have got a little bored of BWL?

For example, Thursday MC, Sunday BWL, Tuesday BWL, Thursday MC, Sunday AQ40 Tuesday AQ40 etc ect

As they say a change is as good as a rest.

Personally I dont care where we raid as long as we raid.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Deadlyspirit+May 13 2006, 06:08 PM-->

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I must say now and here then. If it is like that and ppl just can go and come and they want in RG2, there are something I have missed in the signup as I see it.

And that will probely been a stop fro RG2 for me, if it comes so far we cant hold a 40 man raid going on with nearly the same persons every time. So we can make process in the game and have all the fun we have on raids.

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Yes Deadly, you have completely missed the point.  There are no "big commitment" you have to make to be a Defender, other than the Guild expect you to raid if you're online on a raid night (though not obliged).  That's the whole point in making Guardian/Defender and #1/#2 Raid Group.  That is also why there are more Defenders than there are Guardians, so that RG2 can keep the raids going, even if there are several people not showing up.

[StrontiumDog]

Originally posted by Threbrilith@May 13 2006, 07:05 PM
How can you start getting bored with BWL when we haven't even downed Nefarian? Yes, I can understand that some people might start getting bored with MC, but BWL :blink:

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I didn't say I was bored of it, I was just putting it forward as a possible reason for low attendance.

[Luthor]

Thought i might add my words of "wisdom"...

Raid Group 1: Hardcore Raiders, Commiment to the raid, You know the drill.

Raid Group 2: Casual Raiders, Supporting RG1 incase of low attendence or some other "event" that reduces attendence level, such as the SOG meeting

Now, first shot! how can it be the officers decided that RG2 should raid Thursday May 4th? and not RG1? In my eyes the raid should be filled with RG1 members and holes filled with RG2 to cover? that would make sense, but no?

Second! I Think it would only be fair and reasonable to demote a Guardian that aint showing up for the raids he has committed to, Please note that i am human, and offcourse can people write in the Absence & Holiday thread and stay away from the raids, the RG1 can and should be able to ahndle that situation, we have RG2 for among others the same.

Third! As you might start to suspect im very tired of this "low attendence" level, and harsh times requires harsh measures? What good is an inactive member as Guardian? Get that monitor system up on our members and track & trace every bit of attendence. let me know if i can do anything to help on that part!

Fourth! Good work officers of SOG! your doing one hell of a job keeping this guild together keep it and try to improve as you seems to be doing all the time.

Cheap Shot! oohhh damn rogues only


/luthor