Loot priority

[Vargen]

Originally posted by StrontiumDog@Jun 23 2006, 06:08 PM
I am talking fair as in eveyone who rolls has an equal chance of winning, which in essence means that it is fair.

Just because you dont win an item by rolling does not mean that you did not have an even chance of winning it.

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It is not fair in the sence that the person that wins the item will most likely not help the ones that didn't get the item.
Take for example warlocks that only go to ZG for the heart of hakkar. When they win the roll they will most likely not bother to help the rest get there.

[Lucian]

The only 'fair' and equitable solution is that all loot is based on DKP.

Guys, we are losing sight of the fact that these weapons and items, yes are rare, but are not unique! The more we progress the more common they will become!

DKP is a sign of reward for effort contributed - this guild functions on that principle of good will, so please reward it - if a hunter wants thunderfuy then let him have it - if he has the most dkp then has certainly earned the right to have first refusal.

What I think you'll find happening is that most people will be reasonable - they pass on the item or not whisper for it. The odd one will, and that is their free choice.  At some point you will whisper for one of those items, so be understanding.

That is all.

[Bob]

Hear hear :clap2:

Well said Lucian!  You must teach me some day to write so short posts with so much content

[Ekzete]

Btw, to those of you who think MS warriors are outdmging paladins THAT much, check this thread abit down, the longest reply.
kek

[Marduk]

Originally posted by Ekzete@Jun 23 2006, 09:07 PM
Btw, to those of you who think MS warriors are outdmging paladins THAT much, check this thread abit down, the longest reply.
kek

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yes why do you think that warriors are always outdpsing the pally
and the priest that is trying will outheal a pally

becos we are a hybrid class? or becos we never get the best loot available

in a battle for priority the hybrid class always seems to loses here in sog it seems
at one side we lose from the "true healers" and at the other side from "true dps"
so how about you trow us a bone, or rather a item we can work with and that has a decent droprate.. rather then leftovers like we get now

so how about we reconsider a bit and keep on topic, if you want to discuss the fairness about DKP system start an other topic plx

[Nebuoh]

I haven't had time to read all of the replies, but somehow, when I saw this thread and read a few of the replies, I immediately thought about my Crown of Destruction loot from MC last night.

Don't get me wrong, but am very glad that I got it, +FR and +AP compared to even my DS helm w/o FR, a good replacement when FR is needed, but imho, I did not rank this item as a hunter specific loot, even though it is mail gear.

I can imagine that the other stats, the sta, int and spi, are also very nice for some one like a pally and therefore I was truefully surprised that I got it (DKP wise).

Yes, I do think that class specific items should always go to that class but that we also need to think straight about items that are not too clear class specific and in that case DKP should always be the leading factor. Ofc, it will be difficult to determine when an item is class specific, but when in doubt, go with the DKP (imho).

Yes, in this case, I know I might miss out on some nice weapons or other stuff, since a lot of daggers/swords/rings can also be used by rogues, warriors besides hunters.

I guess, I just wanna say that I would not have complained if some other class had gotten the crown instead of me, and I just hope that we can sort this stuff out fairly, even though that might be an enormous difficult task.

Just my thoughts...

[Marduk]

about nebuoh's reply

all i have to say

now you hear it from the other side of the story....

[Neff]

Guys, we are losing sight of the fact that these weapons and items, yes are rare, but are not unique! The more we progress the more common they will become!

I agree, but on the Thunderfury matter it should go to the tanks (prot )Because as you've may have heard Righteous RG1 still misses their last binding, same with Danu.

A suggestion may be : What you can use, is what you get. But it should be up to each and every of the player, to decide if its "fair" for me to take an item thats not class restricted, if you think it benefits you and your raid alot/ the most, take it. If you think it may benefit a priest more, take it if you want it. Its up to you,  and not to be a saint but in a dream world you'd think of the raid before you, but its up to every player:)

[Marduk]

i dont really think there should be a discussion about Legendary items,

TF = warrior
Hand of raggy = Pally

how much can you argue about that fact, its clear..

[Lucian]

There should be every discussion on Legendary items! They are bought using DKP, and DKP remains the currency of items. Until the link is broken, any discussion on the fairness of distribution is a discussion on the fairness of dkp.

Save your dkp, horde it, and when the item comes along you'll get it!

[Vargen]

End it with the Thunderfury allraedy; Rexon and Nefertem have on half each.

I am not saying Pallys are screwed here as Marduk missunderstood so elegantly. I am merly raising the discussion to have a general idea which way the "wind" blows.
If the majority don't want the priority, then why should we carry on with it? Sure I as ML tend to look at what would benefit the raid in many situations, but at the moment we have the gear in the raid groups to allow for some "luxury", so why not bring it to the discussion forums.

[Marduk]

There should be every discussion on Legendary items! They are bought using DKP, and DKP remains the currency of items. Until the link is broken, any discussion on the fairness of distribution is a discussion on the fairness of dkp.

Save your dkp, horde it, and when the item comes along you'll get it!

if what padding said was correct here Legendary items are not only bought with dkp, you do spend dkp but its the officers who decide on who get the item.
at least thats what he said with the sulfuron discussion

and as far as my elegancy, sometimes you have to be "elegant" to get some attention around here to provoke a reaction and stimulate debeate

[Padding]

if what padding said was correct here Legendary items are not only bought with dkp

Thats at least what was suggested and used before for RG2 for example, so that should still be the case

[Secohan]

The DKP system at the moment we are using only lets us get class armor items otherwise its only numbers on a website. Paladins and druids can benefit different type of loots like us agility+ defence +AP etc. DO we have to wait 2 or 4 months to get loot we want bcs the main classes should have first? If things will turns around main class system then some of us have to wait for months to get items.
For example Quick Strike Ring on a warrior should  have equal right on loot vs a ret. pally and feral druids but while fury/arms got them we couldnt bcs of rouge&hunter priority.

Every item sould be considered as the equiped on person imo. The person who can equip it everytime whatever condition it is, should get item otherwise its greed for all classes.    :boxing:

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by Threbrilith@Jun 23 2006, 04:57 PM
If the officers ask for a discussion around a topic such as this, I would expect them to join in on that discussion a bit more actively that we have seen here (only Vargen that has briefly posted) before they come to a conclusion.
(If you haven't reached a conclusion yet, just take away this last part, it's just what I understood from Marduk's post sorry)

Quite.  We haven't reached a conclusion.  We have our discussion in the main Officer section and on TS once we have taken onboard *your* arguments, the views of everyone else, information that maybe only Officers have access to and then we make a decision in the best interests of the whole Guild.  This may or may not mean that we get actively involved in a thread.  The thread may have enough steam of its own, or it might need some guidance to mak sure particular angles are explored.  We'll interject as required.  The open thread is primarily here for *your* discussion and debate, not ours.

TL.