Officers and CENSORS

[saori]

Well, today i recived the following PM from Bastet:
 
"Flaming SoG or -=dMw=- is not a terribly smart thing to do, your posts have been moved, and you are strongly urged to tone down your language and calm down.

Once thats done feel free to post constructive input on the apporiate thread"
 
Actually i just posted that the new forums werent as good as the previous ones, and they werent working well. I used the word "suck", well, maybe it was quite to harsh for the officers to read that word, so let me apologize for it. If someone felt "flamed" for this, i apologize, it wasnt my intention.
 
But the fact is that:
 
1: forums arent clear enough
2: the new layout is messy and it dosent provide enough information about the new posts making it quite hard to look for the info of interest
3: skin is awful
4: most of the threads and topics where down when i posted the messege in the forums.
5: personally, when navigating i dont really know where i am, in which thread i am, and what i'm reading, so, i can say is easy to get lost.
 
If this "new forum" provide more control to officers its ok for me, im not discussing that, i just posted what i thougt, i didnt ment to "flame" no one, but seems that people tend to missunderstant the onformation in a cold medium like email or forum post.
 
Bastet: i was talking about FORUMS, not about PEOPLE. And my "input" was enough constructive since i was reporting errors i found (signatures, missing posts, messy information, etc.) :angry: So, in the future, better to PM me with stuff like this, why dont you simple try to ask what had happened? i mean, is much more effective a PM with something like "Mate, what did you write and why? there are better ways to state this, etc." that the one PM you sent me. I didnt intent to flame no one, you cannot say the same thing.
 
You have qualified and skilled people inside this guild with the capabilities for setting up forums wide better than this one, but officers intent allways to do things in their own way and manner without even asking out there "is any better idea for this? someone has something new that might be helpful?". So, it quite admirable the time and effort you and your fellow officers had spent in setting up this new system, and belive me, im quite gald for your effort, and effort that is only paid with the gratefulness of your guildmates and a new level of game experience, but beeing an officers dosent mean that every action you take might me liken for each guild member.
 
And in my modest opinion, i think this would be easier if you had setted up a test server so we can all make some test and check the functionality of this forums, at least all the SoG members are the ones interested in having a good forum, with a great look, with great functionality, etc.
 
Previous forum was great, this one it isnt! And if you dont like me to say this, feel free to CENSOR me again! :thumbsdown:
 
Sao...

[Padding]

Now, let me see if i can keep TL from completely blowing up here

Saori, you are apparantly not thinking the whole picture here. The old forums had a lot of problems regarding the flexibility of the system and other flaws, and since SOG is being FREE hosted by the DMW we are in no right to complain whatsoever imo

All new systems takes time to get better, and human studys shows that it takes 3 weeks to change a habit, so you wont be able to be satisfied with the new forums before after 3 weeks at least

Its expected that when you change systems like this, that there will be some things like the signature that you need to redo. Big deal. TL always said that the forums would look different and it will get improved in certain ways over the next 4-8 weeks.

So, i urge you and all else all to play around with the new forums and get the feeling of it, im starting to like it
 
Remember its always easier to criticise than beign constructive... maybe you could see the other side of the coin too?
 
Btw.... new forums provide this super cool smilie :taz:

[saori]

Padding, you can allways simplify the migration from a system to another:
 
PREVIOUS SERVER----------------PRODUCTION SERVER
 
This is one of the 10 big rules of any system development. You cant place a new application, system, forum, whatever, directly in the production server, if you do so then errors will come....
 
For example, why do you think Blizzard provides a way of testing each content patch previous to the official release?
 
Or why do you think that every major webstie (yahoo, google, etc.) places a way of test their new webs prior to the official release? Answer: for preventing errors appear in the final release.
 
Well, i dont say that there wasnt a big effort for placing this new forum, and im sure it will fix a lot of the issues that the previous one has before, but what i DO SAY is that this might had be TESTED prior to opening it directly to all the users.
 
In the test side you can easily fix things and develop new funtionalities without bothering anybody, for that is the test side! and i thing this is ebough constructive!
 
As for the TAZ smilie.....:boff:
 
Sao

[Mazii]

Saori, take a break.
 
I do believe that these new forums have been testet by the dMw administrators before they were released here.
 
So stop whining

[Bastet]

Testing dont mean that you can fix everything, i mean after each patch by blizzard there is also tons of things they still have to fix. And some code just isnt compatible, just see your signature.

[Padding]

Here's the difference:
 
Other websites - gets payed to do the things they do
DMW - Free and done by interest
 
It KEY to remember that this is done by people out of shere interest and in their free time. Its some factors that you have to consider when criticising.
 
I'll bet that we can meet in 1-2 months time and you'll think that the new forums is way cooler than the old ones

[saori]

So, it quite admirable the time and effort you and your fellow officers had spent in setting up this new system, and belive me, im quite gald for your effort, and effort that is only paid with the gratefulness of your guildmates and a new level of game experience.

Where exactly im saying something about dont thinking that this is made by the interest of people that only look for the good of the guild and game using their own free time???
 
:blink: Sao

[saori]

Saori, take a break.
 
I do believe that these new forums have been testet by the dMw administrators before they were released here.
 
So stop whining

I will "whinn" all TANGO y want. Is easy to say that every single appreciation or idea that goes in front of the one stated is called a "whining", is amazing really! And we are talking here about being constructive?
 
Sao

[saori]

Testing dont mean that you can fix everything, i mean after each patch by blizzard there is also tons of things they still have to fix. And some code just isnt compatible, just see your signature.

Yeah, i see the signature, because i didnt had the time to fix it yet, RL stuff called WORK, you know, i will fix it later.
 
And, is obvious that this was tested by DMW administrators, but wasnt tested by the users, that is the point!
 
And, Bastet, testing dosent mean that you can fix everything, but can give you a huge idea of the general functionality of the programm.
 
:eyebrow:

[Padding]

For example, why do you think Blizzard provides a way of testing each content patch previous to the official release?

Or why do you think that every major webstie (yahoo, google, etc.) places a way of test their new webs prior to the official release? Answer: for preventing errors appear in the final release.

Seriously saori, you are out on a limb here. You are comparing DMW to companies like Blizzard and google who has millions of users and millions of dollars. Thats where you are mistaken and its not a fair comparison at all.
 
DMW did a fine job actually migrating all of our posts to these new forums. My initial expectation was that all posts had to be redone, so i think they did an excellent job

[Bastet]

And it was decided to run this software since it offers more functionality over the old one that made the overall balance tip in favor of this system. as for the layout, thier working on it. We should be able to get our own sog template here soonish.

[Bob]

Here is what I think happened and what the real issue of this matter is:

Saori posted some comments/feed back in the thread about the new forum (I remember to have read it, but don't remember all details), maybe not all positive and constructive, but not anything harmfull at least.
Than Bastet sees that and cencors the post, which makes Saori a bit ****ed.  And that I can get - getting cencored is never nice since freedom of speach and so on is looked upon as one of the most fundamental rights there is.
My oppinion is that posts shouldn't be cencored withour there being major reasons to do so, and a bit of negatice comments (that are not formulated in a 100% constructive way) isn't enough if you ask me. (This goes to Bastet in this case, but it's just a general thought I have :smile:)


When it comes to the implementing of the new forum I actually think it has worked out very good.  There are some stuff that don't quite "feel" like the old forum, but I'm shure we'll get there if we just give the admins some time.

And to Saori: if you look through this thread you'll see much feedback (both positive and negative) have been posted, and already much of it has been taken into concideration and corrected :smile:

[Neff]

Well, i didnt read the posts, but freedom of speach doesnt mean the freedom to insult. Im not shitting you over or something Saori, we're friends
If it was insulting, i understand. But using a word as sucky(was it that?) at something that a group of people used their saturday on moving a website and server etc For free, well thats just insulting. Even though you didnt mean  it. It's all about how people judge stuff.

Btw! I see the new forum has changes allready! i cant exactly put the finger on it, but i like it!:D

[Luminance]

Seriously saori, you are out on a limb here. You are comparing DMW to companies like Blizzard and google who has millions of users and millions of dollars. Thats where you are mistaken and its not a fair comparison at all.
 
DMW did a fine job actually migrating all of our posts to these new forums. My initial expectation was that all posts had to be redone, so i think they did an excellent job

Excactly what i was thinking, and i love to abuse the new emoticons
so don't :taz:or :byesad:otherwise u might wanna :help2:  :narnar:

[saori]

Seriously saori, you are out on a limb here. You are comparing DMW to companies like Blizzard and google who has millions of users and millions of dollars. Thats where you are mistaken and its not a fair comparison at all.
 
DMW did a fine job actually migrating all of our posts to these new forums. My initial expectation was that all posts had to be redone, so i think they did an excellent job

i dont say the work done is bad, i just said that this could had be tested prior to the migration of the whole forum.
 
And i dont make those comparations, those where examples, dear Padding, for your information, im a software developer, and i allways place my code into test environments independiently the soft goes for 1 person, 10, 100 or 1000. For that are the testing sides.
 
Sao