BWL & warr spec

Mjolner · August 05, 2006, 12:34:00 PM

I would like to hear views on spec for a warrior in BWL.
I will probably be tanking, and my current build is 31/5/15.
(specced to that when joining SoG)

I have been approached by officers if I would like to spec differently (i'm guessing more points in prot :happy: ).

What I would like here, is some views (pros / cons) at speccing more into protection, from ppl who have experience in BWL. (yeah, that's you, RG1)
Is it really needed??

I'm a little hesitant about a full prot build, since i feel i am somewhat gimping myself in other areas of the game, and so far i have no problem tanking bosses in MC.
Yeah, I guess that's a whole other story in BWL, that's why im asking about views / experience.

Neff · August 05, 2006, 12:43:36 PM

Piercing howl, ho! 0/11/40 isnt it that? Dunno how many points you'd need for Piercing howl. But you'd "only" need it for Kiting in razorgore, so i dont know. Send Siff a pm/ whisper

Shadowsong · August 05, 2006, 01:23:47 PM

A 0/11/40 spec is not such a good idea I think, even I can understand that even though I never did BWL.

Tactical Mastery (arms) and maybe extra Parry (arms) points is very usefull for tanking.
Also lot's of things in prot tree (silence and stun) hardly ever works on elites.

Mjolner · August 05, 2006, 01:49:46 PM

Piercing howl is 11 in fury..
ATM im training dragonkins at razorgore, and not having, hence not using, Piercing howl. (to my belief it is not neccesary at those)
So far others have filled out the job of kiting legionaires using Piercing howl.

What i'm looking for, as opinions about speccing further into the prot tree.
Is it really needed?

Or is it just like: "erhm, we think it's safer that way, so just do it".

BWL-veterans, please discuss and share your infinite wisdom. :happy:

Neff · August 05, 2006, 02:04:19 PM

F.ex Broodlord, without the extra armor and defense and Shield wall f.ex you'd be smashed. You can tank with full fury, just that having a nice prot specc makes you need less heals, and you can be a nice meat wall

Dajo · August 05, 2006, 02:09:15 PM

I never been prot specced in BWL, I was always eithers 31-20-0 or now fury specced. But that's enough for kiting at Razorgore, tanking a little at Vael, taunt order at Ebonroc and timelapse at Chromaggus. However, you are indeed probably gonna be MT1 or 2, so you need a decent tank build. I would most definatly go for last stand and shield slam for fights such as Broodlord and Nefarian. However, as I said I never been prot specced there, so it would be nice if either Ragnarh, Gorion or Optical would post something here.

And btw, piercing howl is nice to have in situation where due to circumstances you have to kite legionaires at Raz, but it isnt needed imo.

I would go for 10/5/36

Good example:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?350536

Check his talents.

Dajo · August 05, 2006, 02:09:57 PM

Quote from: NeffF.ex Broodlord, without the extra armor and defense and Shield wall f.ex you'd be smashed. You can tank with full fury, just that having a nice prot specc makes you need less heals, and you can be a nice meat wall

Shield wall aint a talent, it's an ability every warrior has.

Gorion · August 05, 2006, 02:10:46 PM

it is needed if youre mt1/2 and probably even 3

now the Big question is. what do you want to do in the game? do you want to tank? or do you want to deal damage? if you want to deal damage.. forget about bieng a tank(youlle just waste money to respec back)

now.. if your call is tanking.. then there are several specs, atm me and raggy have 5/11/35 builds (but different talents in prot, the base is still the same tho), now be warned, if youre gonna go prot you will be useless to grind(unless you wanna grind in sm..) and you will have Big repair bills
you will survive longer in fight tho and if you want to do pvp, carrying flags is your job

take a look at my build, profile @warr section. (i am thinking to refine certain aspects of my prot build tho, like sacrificing the +10 def to get last stand and the final points in iron will)

Bastet · August 06, 2006, 09:08:06 AM

As gorion posted, you dont need prot to tank, but once you have prot you gain several important skills, and improve some vital stats. Mostly its not about the ability to tank, but about the ability for the healers to keep you upright.

Ragnarh · August 06, 2006, 01:25:56 PM

There should be plenty SoG profiles for you to browse on allakhazam.com
they should be uptodate , as we apreciate that ppl update profiles now and then.
On that note I am updating mine now. If you are trailing dragonkins you dont "need" Pircing howl ,but I use it whenewer I drop of the platform to help the ones trailing at my side and it is nice to be able to survive for some time with a lego in my dragn train.

Am considering som tweaks in my spec , don't follow anothers spec blindly takes some fun outof figuring out what you want in the game.

TeaLeaf · August 06, 2006, 02:04:58 PM

One other thing to consider in addition to 'what spec you could survive in BWL using'. Think about the impact it has on your healers. Aggro in BWL is real sensitive to healing in particular, so whilst you could look at one spec and say 'yep I'd survive with that', your healer may not if they have to put too much healing into keeping you alive. I think Piercing Howl is a needed talent if you are to kite legionnaires at Razorgore, but if you are going to be MT1/2/3 then I would prefer to see prot spect warriors who take less damage, need less healing, hold aggro etc. Just my 2 cents and remember I have never played a warrior, so I would talk to Ragnarh, Gorion or Optical as suggested above.

TL.

Siffredi · August 06, 2006, 05:45:47 PM

Yes indeed we need a fully protect spec tank as mt2 and prefer no. 3 also, but as earlier stated it all comes down to, what do you want to do... Tank or dps? Since we only have 5 spots in a raid for warriors, we have to have 2 tanks that have piercing howl and thats me and? Even further we prob. need a replacement if someone is missing, this leads to that warriors which are a very important class in BWL, needs to coordinate spec and generel roles in the raid.
This is a very good discussion to have, and i would to have all warriors that is in RG2 to comment on this subjekt, as it consercerns all of us...

Again Mjolner what do you want to do in RG2?

Keltor · August 06, 2006, 06:30:26 PM

i have piercing howl

Mjolner · August 06, 2006, 09:05:44 PM

Yeh, i do know I don't have to spend alot of points in prot to be ABLE to tank.
And I also DO know about different specs and so on.. I'm not completely lost on this topic.. (says I <_<)

What i'm kinda looking for, is a discussion about the pros & cons of investing heavily in the protection tree.
atm i have:
5p in Anticipation for extra def.,
5p in Toughness for +10% armor value
and 5p in Defiance for extra threat.
These are IMO the best bang for the buck, since u only have to use 15p, thus still be able to invest deep into a "damage" tree.

some (quick) thoughts about some of the skills in the prot tree:

Shield spezialisation / imp. shield block: well, yeah, I see the it might come in handy, but are they THAT good?..?

Imp. bloodrage: bah.. the rage should come flooding to you soon enough.

Last Stand: I can see the usefulness. How often do you full prot warrs use it, and IS it that good?

Imp. disarm: im guessing alot of mobs / bosses aren't disarmeable / dont even wear a weapon.

Imp. sunder: doesnt seem that neccesary. u should have enough rage just by taking hits.

Imp. taunt: yeah, well. just an upgrade from an ability we already posses. doesnt seem that good.
We can always switch to battlestance and hit mocking blow (yes I know it can miss) if it resists.

Imp. shield wall: see the usefulness, but worth +20p in the tree?

Imp. revenge & Concussion blow: still guessing alot aint stunnable.

Imp. shield bash: silence. IF it works on certain mobs / bosses, worth THAT many talent points???

1-H specialization: More damage is always good, but again.. worth the points over viability for grinding, etc?

Shield slam: doesnt scale with gear, so it becomes more and more "weak", and doesn't seem all that great to me. (or am i wrong?)

My point is, there's alot of skills (imo) not worth investing in, compared to the other trees, and alot is "just" upgrades on already available skills.
You're easily gimping yourselves in other areas of the game.
Answers and examples very much appreciated. i might be wrong here.

And about piercing howl. That isnt a protection talent, but fury, so all the non-tanks probably have it, and as far as i remember (and that isnt far! :happy:), it is only really needed in 1 fight.

Mjolner · August 06, 2006, 09:23:50 PM

And about what I want to do in the raid.

I ENJOY tanking, but that doesn't mean i won't spec fury when I get better gear for it. (yeah, like thats gonna happen any time soon :thumbsdown:)
So i'm not saying I won't tank, since i really dig it, and i'm accepting / embracing the fact that you would like me to keep doing it.

I'm just worried that I will gimp myself too much with a more heavy prot build.

Tanking is fun, but CAN be stressful. Some nights you're just not that attentive (spelling?), and that can be for alot of reasons.
So counting on just the same couple of people to tank every raid, might be discussed too. Once in a while, it would be nice to see a tank rotation. Also for the learningprocess of tanking, for people who dont do it much.
Mostly talking about MC, since we're just learning first boss in BWL.

..just a thought..