Loot rules?

[Dajo]

I got to agree with Shadowscream here. He's talking sense and wth is this about dkp?
So if I had the most dkp and took a Staff of Shadowflame for no other purpose but to improve my arcane shots it would be ok and you would have to respect my "playstyle" becos it is my decision and I think it would be an upgrade for me?
 
I am thinking officers are being very lazy on this subject, for RG1 and when did this change? So you're thinking a pally should get an ashcandy over a dps warrior just becos he can? And what if it would hit officers personally?
Atm officers rule the dkp on their category, so a rogue should get Huhurans Stinger becos he gets 4 more agility on it while it is way better than hunter quest bow and hunters would go from kitty cat to big mother****ing lion! with it ... or maybe a priest should get that fish staff becos they can do nice melee atacks with it in pvp??
 
If we are really gonna go with this kinda shitty lootsystem on account of officers dont wanting to do their research and tell all whiners to shut the hell up then this is not the lootsystem I would like to play with.
 
So you think ppl are going to respect each other and be considerate to one another? And so lets not even do ML and hope that every1 know what they should take. Why do you think there is a word called priority ? Why do you think most guilds use priority ? Becos if we dont soon we wil have pallys dpsing with ashcandy, rogues running with hunter bows while hunters got bows they been using a year ago.
So they go melee on bosses with viskags... priests healing with druid items and druids going dps with warrior items .. and then we sit back and wonder why our dps is not enough for this and that?
 
I hope the officers start acting like one, that is why you are there to sort it all and see it all goes down fairly. sure there wil allways be ppl who wil whine or feel mistretead. but what I see atm would leave a lot more ppl whining and really feeling unappreciated, so plz officers start making this right we all invest a lot of time to this, you can't allways have the top dkp doesn't mean you need to suffer for it by seeing something clearly made for your class go to some1 who can't do **** with it just becos they dont got the brains to think outisde the box.
 
Thats my 2 cents if you disagree to bad I dont need 10 posts telling me how wrong i am kk? this is just my opinion as an RG1 member.

 
No offence Ashjen, but since I had some problems reading it, I thought, why not aswell make it more readable for others
 
/target Ashjen
/love
/hug
 
p.s. I agree with Ashjen on this, there should be atleast some sort of priority.

[Gorion]

regarding ashjens post:

you dont really think that a lolladin will get asskandy before an arms warr do you?

cos if you do, then youre thinking wrong. afaik warrs never had any problems with loot sharing with pallys,

lets mention some items: onslaught girdle, drake talon shoulders, helm of endless rage, chromatic boots. if there was a warr IN the raid who wanted those items, he got them. the pallys got them after that (it only happened once with onslaught girlde and thats after 1yr of raiding)

heres what i think: lets say ashkandi for example. 1st priority on arms warrs (and afaik it is a priority and it exists), now lets say that 5 drops after a retri specced pally and a tank spec warr want it, like ive done before and will continue to do, ide pass (since he can do much better use with it than me)

tank vs healer pally could be a diff story but since were all friends here... why not pass? you can get it next time



now i know it sucks that in bwl some warr got a bow and a rogue got a gun, which imo ranged should be priority to hunters. you may ask why?

hunters will use ranged weapons 99% of their attacks in a raid-
rogues will use ranged weapons 5% of their attacks in a raid-?
warriors will use ranged weapons 5% of their attacks in a raid?  
(regarding to tanks, tanks just pull with ranged.. so its out of the question(unless it has some bigass resistance, afaik there no +15 res ranged atm)

correct me if ime wrong here, but hunters want an item for increased dps and stats., while rogues/warrs and any other class wants it for just the stats. so.. a hunter would contribute much more than a rogue/warr with that ranged weapon.

the rest up to you to think

[Padding]

heres what i think: lets say ashkandi for example. 1st priority on arms warrs (and afaik it is a priority and it exists), now lets say that 5 drops after a retri specced pally and a tank spec warr want it, like ive done before and will continue to do, ide pass (since he can do much better use with it than me)

Lets remember that the loot rules in Dungeons are now DKP and nothing else. That said a Paladin can actually take Ashkandi before a warrior according to the rules, *however* (imo) it would be a serious lack of judgement and no game insight. Other weapons / armor can be discussed, but with the rules we are having, we require that people actually think a lot for themselves, and try to set themselves in the other persons shoes to see how they would react.
 
I urge people to make a list over items they want in the game, and make priorities for yourself, so when it actually drops, you know how/if/when you want it, and you know if other classes can benefit from it more than you and you therefor can let i pass until later

[Bastet]

Afaik, the current system didnt give any problems so far ashjen. And even though there is a point somewhere in the post of yours, the way you bring it dont give me and incentive to act upon it. I think ill be "lazy" and wait for some1 else to make up a priority system for a couple 100 items for 9 classes.

[Neff]

I am thinking officers are being very lazy on this subject, for RG1 and when did this change? So you're thinking a pally should get an ashcandy over a dps warrior just becos he can? And what if it would hit officers personally?
Atm officers rule the dkp on their category, so a rogue should get Huhurans Stinger becos he gets 4 more agility on it while it is way better than hunter quest bow and hunters would go from kitty cat to big mother****ing lion! with it ... or maybe a priest should get that fish staff becos they can do nice melee atacks with it in pvp??

Well, the thing is in sog, or atleast the RG i was in,  an pally wouldnt take *dajo's* Asscandy. Just an example.

[Nebuoh]

Afaik, the current system didnt give any problems so far ashjen. And even though there is a point somewhere in the post of yours, the way you bring it dont give me and incentive to act upon it. I think ill be "lazy" and wait for some1 else to make up a priority system for a couple 100 items for 9 classes.

First of all, imho, I think everyone needs to chill a bit first. The loot system won't work to satisfy everyone, no one single system will. And trust me, I have been on the "wrong"  side of the current system by missing out on 2 bows/guns that would have improved my stats/dps significantly and thus indirectly would have benefited the raid group as a whole.
 
I do however think that not only the raid members have to think carefully about a designated non-class specific item (aka no class being mentioned on the item), but also the officers (incl. ML) should think carefully about the item being rolled/dkp'ed for.
 
Surely there are a lot of items that CAN be used by multiple classes, but come on, think carefully about which class actually has the most (best) direct benefit out (from)of an item.
 
A rogue can surely use a +agi/dps dagger better than a hunter could, since the rogue not only uses the agi but also uses the dps ALL of the time during melee.. Same case for a bow/gun with +agi/+sta/dps, it would benefit a pure ranged class (hunter ) more than a rogue/warrior since a hunter will use all the stats AND also the dps EVERY single shot.
 
So does this mean a rogue/warrior should never get a (new) bow/gun or that a hunter should never get a new dagger/sword? No, but if some class would benefit more from a direct stat/dps immediately, then it should be " prioritized" for that class, no matter if some new item can drop from a new(er) instance that COULD be better.
 
Just my 2 cents...

[Padding]

Ok, i've just picked up everybody's 2 cents in this post, and theres a lot of people now owing me around 1g, so please them it to me in-game okthxbye!

[Dajo]

Well, the thing is in sog, or atleast the RG i was in, an pally wouldnt take *dajo's* Asscandy. Just an example.

It's not mine...I just like it...(alot ) But I know the paly's wouldnt and im am very gratefull for that

[Bob]

Ok, i've just picked up everybody's 2 cents in this post, and theres a lot of people now owing me around 1g, so please them it to me in-game okthxbye!

roflaloladin :roflmao:

[Neff]

Okay, so lets say it like this : Rogues get daggers, warriors get swords hunters get ranged.. KK?

After a while, Rogue x wants warriors Z sword, and Hunter Y wants Rogue x's dagger, and warrior wants Y's bow.

And then the newbie hunter called "Fred" wants the gun that warrior Z got, and we have the same discussion over again

[Ashjen]

Nebuo basicly said what i mean but much gentler. i just cant tolerate ppl who would take an item that is almost of no uppgrade for them. (and as to what neff said i dont mean dont ever take "y" bow or other way around just saying show the decency to wait for all those who benefit more directly and knowingly to get them first. were all guildies here we wil all get the items we want in time.)  thus i made an angry post, but nonethless you did get the point. which has now come out very strongly. and that is DONT friggin take something you know some1 else benefits 99.999999% more than you pretty pretty plz. simple things like these are the stuff of war and illnes. a greed of one person can bring down a city! and thanks dajo for for making my post much more clearer never was any good at that.

also dont worry bastet you took my post the way you want to take it i didnt think you would have taken it any differently. and your reply dont suprise me.

[ratatosk]

So to sum up this post!
 
COMMON SENCE....
 
btw must say that it was a great run last night both in BWL and Naxx!:biggrin:
 
Best regards Rata

[Bastet]

Right now let me try and explain this, from my own POV as some1 that done ML on a couple runs.
 
Class priority is a nice system, with loot tables for every item, and then some classes w/ priority on item over others. Ppl come complaining to ML/Officers, but i am a ranged warrior/melee hunter/dps paladin/shadow priest/etc and i cant get any gear thats good for my spec.
 
Officer discretion wont work due to the fact that between officers theres a lot of different POV's on how it should be, and might chance from ML to ML. Ppl come complaining to ML/Officers its not fixed.
 
Highest DKP wins, again nice system, but some ppl might take items over other ppl that might make more use of them. Ppl come complaining to ML/Officers that the melee hunter/ranged warrior/dps paladin/shadow priest/etc took thier item.
 
So, everything we tried we get a crap load of **** over from half or more of the raid :thumbsdown: tbh that made me consider quiting wow/guild a few times, afterall i am only human too, and repeated crap dont make me feel good. So next time you start bitching and moaning please keep this post in mind, and for all ppl like rata said, use common sence on items (which seams to be in short supply lately). and remember ITS JUST A FLIPPING GAME, AND THE ITEM WILL DROP AGAIN.
 
Bitch / Moan in presence of me @ risk of losing vital bits of the body, you have been warned.

[Marduk]

Totaly Agree with bastet here,
a "secondairy class" took your loot? first think about how many items you "took" from his class that maybe he really wanted and would have had lots of fun with it
 
so stop the nagging about loot to officers and other players and remember its a game and that the item will probably drop again, Unless of course its one of those items blizzard forgot to put in sog loot system ....

[Incentos]

Class priority is a nice system, with loot tables for every item, and then some classes w/ priority on item over others. Ppl come complaining to ML/Officers, but i am a ranged warrior/melee hunter/dps paladin/shadow priest/etc and i cant get any gear thats good for my spec.

Can we please implement this system again? It was working fine!
Solution to people complaining? Create a 'loot distribution complaints officer' :biggrin: . Happy to take up the job. Will brush 'em all off blizzard style :norty: .
 
Seriously, i think the current loot system will hold back raid progress as people clearly have no common sense when it comes to high level items.
Sure, items drop again in the future but does the whole raidgroup have to wait for that moment?