Trial Loot System Feedback

[TeaLeaf]

Something is in fact very odd about that site, if u look at judgement belt it gives 4stars for loladins and 5stars for healadins. The funny thing about the judgement set is that the bonuses isnt +healing, its +healing and damage, and the last one is a big + for loladins. Might be a mistake though as its the only one i noticed that werent the same for both types.

I'd agree and have emailed the author accordingly.

TL.

[Umbra]

Granted TL, on the examples you chose from myanmar's post, however the DFT example still stands, the site says better for rogues than for dps warrs, I'm *pretty* sure it's assuming dps warriors are arms/2h spec, since everyone knows +to hit and AP are top (along with crit) for dw fury, if it's counting the dodge as rogue only then that just supports the idea that dw/fury hasn't been  included.

If you wanted suggestions on specific items then so far:
Drake Fang Talisman: 2% hit and AP is Fantastic for dw fury 5*
Maladath: + weapon skill affects %hit %crit and AP (afaik) perfect for dw fury 5*

but anyway it would be nice if some kind of discrimination was made between dw and 2h since atm, dajo and I would have same priority on 2h and 1h weaps, maybe a 1* alteration either side in this case.

[Jorgen]

Maladath: + weapon skill affects %hit %crit and AP (afaik) perfect for dw fury 5*

This is a bit wrong
+weaponskill does not affect either +hit / +crit or your attackpower

The reason why you need +weaponskill as a furywarrior is only because of glancing blows:

A glancing blow is a damagemigrated hit with that occurs when mobs is evenor higher level then you, so you get a lot of this on trash and bosses in end game instances.
These occur only on white damage and can't crit, +wepskill doesn't give you less chance to get glancing, but when you got weaponskill +10 of your own level, your glancing blows deals 100% of the damage the white hit is supposed to do. You will get a better rage-generation because of more damage, and then the chance to get more DPS

For humans, [item]Maladath, Runed Blade of the Black Flight[/item] is perfect because of the +4 weaponskill, this gives them 309 swordskill (5 racial)
I used the twin blades of hakkari myself when I was fury (Setbonus was +6 swordskill) and used to outdamage tier 1 rogues with several thousand damage

I would actually recommend using these:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=12420][item]Edgemaster's Handguards[/item][/URL]

Might sound nasty to get rid of a crit and some attackpower if you for example use [item]Flameguard Gauntlets[/item], but in the end +weaponskill makes a BIG difference in your output damage

As for the +hit, furywarriors need these for this reason:

Your offhand got +25% miss as standard, and when you'r spamming Heroic Strike with your mainhand, you don't got anything that generates rage when it keeps missing all the time

I know it's the wrong thread to put it in, but it gives a little clue of how fury-dps works for ppl that have never tested it

[noevra]

why is the [item]Warblade of the Hakkari[/item] 3 stars on a rogue? its one of the fastes main hand swort you can get before you get into bwl.
 
my be a bit low on dps stats but still think its a great wapon for a rogue
 
besites. why is [item]cloak of draconic might[/item] 5 stars on a rogue. isnt [item]cloak of the shrouded mists[/item] mutch better for a rogue class (its 5 stars 2) but i think the [item]cloak of draconic might[/item] isnt that good for a rogue..



pff this item linking when your dislectic is a pain in the ass

[Bastet]

Cloak of draconic might gives a rogue more AP then mists, and is thus better one can argue. The warblade is arguably better for a warrior/hunter since the dmg spread is on the low end

[Umbra]

Not quite Jorgen, though it seems it's mainly to do with glancing blows...

[Copied from http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill]
Each point of weapon skill you have over your opponent's defense increases your chances to crit and hit by 0.04%, and reduces your opponent's chance to block, parry, and dodge by 0.04%. Effectively you can consider it to be the inverse of the defense skill.

so it increases to hit and crit by a small amount but yes raises dps overall, either way i'd still say 5* for a dw fury not 4*

I'm only adding this info for altruistic reasons since I already have a DFT and Maladath

[Marduk]

how about this for comment
i just lost a ring to a mage,
i had 4 stars of useablity
he had 5 stars
 
i had 3600 dkp
he had 400 dkp
 
i have NINE TIMES the dkp he had but he won it
now that is not entirely fair if you see the efford put in
 
Edit: and dont come with its dmg and healing, if you look, every judgement item has dmg AND healing to

[Luminance]

ok that isn't fair at all.

maybe reshape it a bit too:

Max 1000dkp range, that way its way more fair.

[Padding]

Had to agree on DUK, but then again i've always been for the simple DKP is DKP system. Giving Paladins only 4 stars on that ring is simply ridicolous in my humble opinion

[Luthor]

First were is the option for Priests to choose a DPS side?
 
Apparently the 2 other healing classes in game is allowed.
 
And now a lot of discussion can start about Hybrid class etc... but the fact is Priests can be Hybrid too, Caster and Healer.
 
Im just not able to be healing very good when casting, but i guess its the same that counts for Druids and Paladins.
 
 
Were Facing Nef right now, and i just realised loot ive been after will be given to someone else due to this fact. why?
 
They "need" it more according to the prio list
 
[item]Halo of Transcendence[/item]
 
[item]Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer[/item]
 
So... i got the top one... i miss the bottom but now ill never see it.

[Lucian]

Circlet of Applied force dropped tonight in BWL so I whispered. Luminance, a rogue with 900 dkp less than me whispered for it and received the loot.
 
Before I say anything else, this is not personal - I do not bear a grudge towards Luminance for winning.
 
Following these events, the hunters are particularly cross. Some members have been silent, but others are annoyed, and wish to express their frustration about how the new system effectively reduces any chance of priority to ranged weapons only.
 
Every I think realises that hand weapons are a grey area - axes, daggers etc. come under this, but with the new system, because whoever designed the list sees Hunters as ranged weapon users, they no longer have immediate access to melee weapons.
 
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Hunters have as much right to earn the chance to use a hand weapon, or neck piece, or cloak, or ring as ANY OTHER CLASS, and to exclude them from that will only continue to raise the level of unhappiness.
 
EDIT:
 
My suggestions:
 
If priority is essential, then make experience count, or implement priority for new instances like Naxx.  People can understand that...
Umbra's idea for a multiplier makes sense... please consider it.
A hunter strike has been mentioned, and some members are in favour of it. That is how unhappy we are. This thread is an attempt for some form of fast mediation to take place. Please use it as such!

[TeaLeaf]

...and as such I have moved it into the loot system feedback thread with other comments.  Otherwise w ehave to hunt these threads down all over the forums when we come to review.

TL.

[DarkAngel]

Hmm how can a dps warrior get t1 gauntlets of might over a defence spec one?

[Tanales]

OK my thoughts, i like that the FMs are trying to comply to critisism, but the system we have just implemented for a TRIAL is to test how it works, nothing else.
I like the system but naturally it has flaws, im working on a solution to that. A guild managed Loot priority table, just got one problem atm, that damn plugin wont install correctly to the DKP site

[Nebuoh]

Circlet of Applied force dropped tonight in BWL so I whispered. Luminance, a rogue with 900 dkp less than me whispered for it and received the loot.
 
Before I say anything else, this is not personal - I do not bear a grudge towards Luminance for winning.
 
Following these events, the hunters are particularly cross. Some members have been silent, but others are annoyed, and wish to express their frustration about how the new system effectively reduces any chance of priority to ranged weapons only.
 
Every I think realises that hand weapons are a grey area - axes, daggers etc. come under this, but with the new system, because whoever designed the list sees Hunters as ranged weapon users, they no longer have immediate access to melee weapons.
 
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Hunters have as much right to earn the chance to use a hand weapon, or neck piece, or cloak, or ring as ANY OTHER CLASS, and to exclude them from that will only continue to raise the level of unhappiness.
 
EDIT:
 
My suggestions:
 
If priority is essential, then make experience count, or implement priority for new instances like Naxx. People can understand that...
Umbra's idea for a multiplier makes sense... please consider it.
A hunter strike has been mentioned, and some members are in favour of it. That is how unhappy we are. This thread is an attempt for some form of fast mediation to take place. Please use it as such!

I said we would just have to see what would happen with the new loot and stuff... and thank God it did not happen to... I have to agree with Lucian, he has been saving DKP to get some nice stuff, just as me and I am sure as lots of other ppl, but did not get it due to the new "priority" rules. Same as Lucian already said, no harm or disregard to Luminance.
 
This is already the first issue to arise since this loot system has been put in place... first day!!! and I am sure lots more will follow... especially with the CTS in mind.
 
I am also sure the entire raid saw my congrats to a certain rogue and I was whispered about it. First of all, I will not now and not in the future change my mind about this towards him and if ppl find that offensive, then I would like to point out that the sudden change, YES sudden change, after a /gquit from that same person has instigated this. I now wish I had not whispered to Vargen to invalidate my bid on that dagger if a rogue wanted it, since he got it and decided to /gquit afterwards anyways.
 
Don't discredit Lucian's post because of this, since he has a valid opinion.
 
I do wonder, should i do a /gquit, if anything would be changed... I dont think so...