Trial Loot System Feedback

[ratatosk]

Well as my 2 cents i support my fellow kinsmen in this matter!
the new system has problems like all systems do for a start, iam willing to go for the trial and see... But as for now we are prio 1 on barely a few melee weapons and the first prios are polearms that we have yet to see if they will drop<_<
 
And for the Rogue case i feel that it was a real bad way to deal with an agression about loot! i felt it was like a kid that didnt get candy in a shop and the way it have sorted out made me feel sad:sad:
 
I just pray and hope it gets a good solution so we wont have to see ppl leave or getting grudges inside our beloved guild!
 
Best regards Rata:flirty:

[DonnieKingo]

Well as my 2 cents i support my fellow kinsmen in this matter!

/signed

[Marduk]

OK my thoughts, i like that the FMs are trying to comply to critisism, but the system we have just implemented for a TRIAL is to test how it works, nothing else.

Trial yes, but the loot is still to the "wrong" owner as lucian and me see it now, even if its just to try, the effect of trial are permanent

[Vargen]

Well, if it makes some of you feel any better. I myself think the priority system is a load of... ehrm.. well, you get the point. It puts DKP second, which is wrong imo.

With this prio system you basically get a 'food chain'

Melee gear
1. Rogue
2. Warrior, Hunter
3. Druid, Paladin

or

Caster gear
1. Mage, Warlock
2. Priest, Druid, Paladin

Basically the 'group' above you can take anything from you, no matter the DKP differance. Which totally trashes the point of the DKP system in the first place.

[Asheera]

And which classes had 5 stars for those items?

4 stars mean could use but others could use better.  
5 stats means would get best use from.

Your example is more than a bit dodgy at best.  It's a bit like me criticising the list for saying that a healing druid needs Jin'do's Bag of Whammies (I mean why on earth would a healing druid need +dam to spells?) because it gives a healing druid 4 stars for that item.  The fact is that the healing druid is given 5 stars for better suited items, like Jin'do's Evil Eye and Jin'do's Hexxer.

The system is not going to be perfect, but don't criticise it before you understand it.  Go find the examples of 5 star items you think are wrong and talk about those - they're the important ones.  I know they'll be some out there to debate and it will be a sensible debate not a pointless one.

As for the ML role. I do not believe it will take significantly longer to use this system as few classes have dual roles and it therefore affects only a minority of the loot.  Other than this it is still a 'highest DKP' system, so no change there.

TL.

well this is not criticizing the system but i mean, i have prio over palas on items with + healing only (even if cloth) or rings with an high ammount of mana regen and i think a pala could have more use of em

[Nefrion]

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Hunters have as much right to earn the chance to use a hand weapon, or neck piece, or cloak, or ring as ANY OTHER CLASS, and to exclude them from that will only continue to raise the level of unhappiness.
 

Then it would be alright for rogues to roll on any ranged weapon they might like regardless of other hunter's gear?

[Greatdanes]

Then it would be alright for rogues to roll on any ranged weapon they might like regardless of other hunter's gear?

If it should be fair for all, yes but logical, hmm that is a tricky one

[ratatosk]

Then it would be alright for rogues to roll on any ranged weapon they might like regardless of other hunter's gear?

It has already occurred Nef! Both the DB gun and Heartstriker has gone to Rogue/hunter ask Neb about it!<_<
 
And ofcourse it can happen but thats what we all have to deal with... If u pass something to a fellowguildy he will remember it and others will see that u pass, and next time ppl will pass for u. (atleast thats the way it should be)
 
We are all in the same ****ing guild we shall FFS help eachother not steal and cheat ur fellow M8:ranting2:  We shall work as a team and be happy that ppl get new stuff. And Ofcourse there will be things u want and someone else get it BUT HEY next time u get something and someone else dont!
 
P.S this aint an AIM for any specific Person its AIMED for the whole Guild
 
Best regards an :ranting2: Rata

[Nefertem]

.............(atleast thats the way it should be).........

Ye exactly.. the way it should be.. Only thing needed for that is that everyone are suppose to make it that way :g:

[Marduk]

dont undertstand the system befor you know it, ok lets try this example
Pendant of the fallen dragon.
9 stamina
12 intelect
9 mana per 5 seconds
 
druid 5 stars
priest 5 stars
mage 4 stars
paladin 4 stars
warlock 4 stars
 
Why does paladin only have 4 stars on this, while i see on the loot list with the old system the following people have one
 
Jeebus
Vehanna
ekzete
padding
lunares
 
3 out of 5 are paladins, 2 are priest, this could mean paladins are really interested in this one ( i for one am ) and mages and warlocks and mages would rather have something with +dmg on it
 
and the real confusing bit, dont healadins and priest / resto druids do the same in raids so wouldnt that necklace be just as good for them?

[TeaLeaf]

Marduk's post is a good example of how to put feedback into this thread.  It notes a specific item, deals with it in a specific way.   Feedback which says 'I do not like it' is worthless as the post doesn't actually contain any content.  

So when you post, please continue to use specific examples, not generic or even worse just rounded comments.  One liners are a total waste of time.  State the item, state your reasoning and comment on the class priority shown and what you think it should be.  We're trying to make the systems we use work and the 'general moan' crap really does not contribute anything positive that actually helps us. :sad:

TL.

[Incentos]

Loot prio aint that bad imo...it just needs some tweaking. Ok, so [item]Circle of Applied Force[/item] is good for a hunter too? Add another star to it for the hunters and that flaw has been taken care off. I don't mind cause Lucian has a good point there. If we work out the flaws like this we should have a decent system.
 

I do wonder, should i do a /gquit, if anything would be changed... I dont think so...

Neb, if you quit --> i quit. Raiding aint fun without having my rl friends with me. So plz reconsider any harsh decisions :nevermind: .

[TeaLeaf]

Hmm how can a dps warrior get t1 gauntlets of might over a defence spec one?

Please name the item and state the case otherwise we're whistling in the wind all on your own.

NOTE:
A system like this been deliberated and debated for many months by Field Marshalls, so please stop trying to allocate it entirely to a specific person or action as it is not down to that Nebuoh, you are simply wrong.

Please keep the comments to feedback on the system being trialled.  Off-topic posts might have to be tossed into a corner to fester on their own.

TL.

[Incentos]

[item]Boots of the Shadow Flame[/item] has rogue prio over feral druids. I suggest some changes so druids have at least equal prio for this loot.
 
Edit
Same for [item]Taut Dragonhide Shoulderpads[/item], [item]Taut Dragonhide Belt[/item] and [item]Cloak of Firemaw[/item].

[Nefrion]

[item]Boots of the Shadow Flame[/item] has rogue prio over feral druids. I suggest some changes so druids have at least equal prio for this loot.

Agree as rogues are better off with items with agility.