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[Luthor]

Where is the option for priests to choose the DPS way of life?
 
i only found: Priest choice.
 
But with that choice i dont have priority over any Mage or Warlock.
 
Surely is must be a mistake.
 
But then again i didnt find anything, on http://wow-loot.com concerning a Shadow Priest or Holy DPS Priest, very weird seeing as Shadow Priests are very viable during for instance: Instructor Razuvious (for Naxx boss in Deathknight Wing).
 
Maybe he forgot to update the info there.

[FATAL]

at 1st i didnt like the idea of changing the loot system but when i checked out the web site it all makes sence :withstupid:

[StrontiumDog]

Where is the option for priests to choose the DPS way of life?
 
i only found: Priest choice.
 
But with that choice i dont have priority over any Mage or Warlock.
 
Surely is must be a mistake.
 
But then again i didnt find anything, on http://wow-loot.com concerning a Shadow Priest or Holy DPS Priest, very weird seeing as Shadow Priests are very viable during for instance: Instructor Razuvious (for Naxx boss in Deathknight Wing).
 
Maybe he forgot to update the info there.

Must admit an interesting point from luthor there, out of interest on a normal run does anyone know how much over heal we get?

I mean if our over-healing is that much maybe we could start using the odd priest that wants to go shadow, would mean more dps and less overhealing and maybe a more effective use of a priest...

Duuno what you lot think...

[noevra]

i dont think...:roflmao:

but my point of vieuw is that evry one can play his charcter he she wants. if it whasnt posibole it whasnt itended

[Luminance]

Hmm i do like this system umbra said,
 
Your DKP pool times the numbers of stars and the one with the highest rating wins,
altho it would be hard in the beginning on the ML
having to alt-tab check two sites per item and then multiply by the number of people and then do a small calculation
 
take the CTB
a rogue whispers
a dps warrior whispers
a paladin whispers
a hunter whispers
of those classes there couple be mutiple people whispering
you would have to scroll down to the blade, write down the multiplyers per class and then add the dkp into the sum
if 2 people whisper, the system is great, if 20 people whisper, it will despawn b4 we figured out who what and where

people should know there own dkp and know the number of stars of the wapon, so maybe letting the persons who whisper do his own math and whisper the item and the "star*dkp number" then the ML only has to compair who has the highest number.

[sheepy]

that would work as long as you leave more time for ppl to wisper.
 
unless its wisper for intrest, then wisper dkp + modifier as soon as you double check the stars on the loot? that way if there are only a couple of ppl wispering then its easy for the ML but then he can ask for help if there are lots of ppl

[Luthor]

Stront also take into consideration, that one shadow priest isnt playing because the extra dam he does is more needed, only. but also because he adds something to the raid. fx. +15% shadow damage taken by target (Shadow Weave) and he will heal the party with: Vampiric Embrace.

[TeaLeaf]

RG1 does not carry a shadow priest, so to a extent the question is moot. At the moment, although we certain have individuals who might tot up some scary overhealing numbers, as a raid we are still not in the luxurious position of having much of a choice as our tanks are still dying!

TL.

[Luthor]

+To hit with spells is needed for tanking Instructor Razuvious. will that be taking into account?

[TeaLeaf]

I would guess that a single specialised role for a couple of people within a single boss fight done by a 40 person raid within the general schedule of all of the boss fights across an instances will in all probability not affect a loot priority table for that instance - otherwise arguments for the other classes in the raid start being thrown into the ring as well based on other 'unique' circumstances.  +Hit is nice, but it is not something you *have* to have before you can kill him.  If +hit is also a concern then you will find some nice trinks & rings in ZG, WSG and AV that will easily provide the +hit you are worried by without nerfing either your stats or your DKP.

TL.

[Incentos]

Got an issue worth discussing (imo) concerning meatshield priority on NR items.
 
Yesterday evening two things kinda ****ed me off.
 
1. Wiping on Huhuran at 1% (she had less than 8.000 hp on my counter) becoming SoG tradition.
2. Loot hand out of the [item]Unnatural Leather Spaulders[/item] to someone who isn't in the meatshield.
 
My question is.....why put priority for meatshield people on [item]Nightmare Engulfed Object[/item] and not on the spaulders? I noticed three people rolling on the item that could have seriously increased their NR and damage output if they had gotten the item. I feel like the item got wasted last night. Plz, correct me if i am wrong.

[lunares]

+To hit with spells is needed for tanking Instructor Razuvious. will that be taking into account?

Take angelista's grasp a belt with plus 2% to hit from chrommy. I have 1 due to no one wanting it. thats a nice start. An other thing would be the ZG trinket from the fish boss. plus 10% to hit for a few sec.
The grasp is prioritised but no one wanted it for the last 3 drops. the trinket is not prioritised in ZG. thats a nice start to go with.
 
Lunares

[Vargen]

+To hit with spells is needed for tanking Instructor Razuvious. will that be taking into account?

More likely we will put to use the best geared priest for the job rather then gearing a priest for the job.

As for the loot priority system, as it is now is unacceptable. It prioritizes DPS only and ignores DKP. First of all it will need to exclude initiates and new members from priority. If not be a scaled system like Umbra mentioned. Loosing an item to someone with 8000 DKP less then you is just rediculus. We are in no way out to halt raid progress or take items just for the hell of it. But if I worked through BWL from start to finish, and earn my way through. Should I not get the chance to take a [item]Drake fang talisman[/item] over a rogue with 1 DKP? Sure it is a major upgrade and you as a raid member might not see any value in me getting one. But ask yourself, should we really throw the DKP system out the window for the sake of keeping our rogues, mages and warlocks happy? Because I sure as hell ain't happy with _that_ system.

Yeah, I know. I'm making it all about loot and items again
Honestly I don't care that much for loot or items. I care more for having fun and playing the game. But I would at least have the option to take an item if I really want it. Not have some idiot say, no you can't have that item because your class isn't supposed to play in a manner requireing those kind of stats in a raid. You are a healbot, sit down and shut up.

And to the "But you listed as a Feral druid"
Yes, I did. and there are something like 2 items that are prioritized to a feral druid on the entire AQ list. Most items I would want is basically "No, you can't have that. You aren't a rogue." It needs to drop 7 more times before you are considered. So you end up getting stuck in a healer role but hey; "No, you can't have that item, you aren't a primary healer". So that means only 7 priests, 7 paladins and 6 druids need to get it before you can. Assuming ofcorse that there are no new people joining in the place of someone that has allready gotten one.

The DKP = DKP system fell because some (read 'pure' classes) found the system to allow for greed. Well guess what, so does everything else. You cannot make a system without some kind of flaw or downside or someone being unhappy with it. Name the system and I will name the flaw...
A pure DKP system is the fairest way of distributing loot. It allows the top person first pick. It's major flaw however is that while the ones that raid an equal ammount are balanced out, newcomers are left behind as they have no way of catching up. We greatly reduced this problem by splitting the DKP system into different instances to balance it out. We have never been about telling people how to play their characters. Personally I feel forced to choose feral as it is my favorite aspect of my character. No doubt I would probably contribute far more in many situations with my healing then just standing around as a kitty or teddy, but then I won't be 'allowed' to experience the aspect of the game I want to, outside the raid.

Anyways, getting some sleep now... Think I repeated myself several times allready...:sleep:

[Nefrion]

:withstupid:
 
Hybrid classes (or as I like to call them, unpure classes :naughty: ) will or at least should always choose the DKP = DKP system as it favors them greatly. They can roll for whatever they want and they dont get that easily bored with raiding because they can choose between dps and healing or dps and tanking.
 
When playing rogue you dont have that much to choose between. Its mostly DPS or being dead.
 
Another thing is that the priorty list does not care what you do outside raids. It only looks at what benefits the raid so if you are looking for progress and want to advance faster the priority list is the way to go.

[DonnieKingo]

Do you think it is fair that hybrid classes - because they have more options in making their character - should be last in line to get their gear upgraded...no matter the amount of effort put into the raidgroup?
 
That bites if you ask me :sideways: