Trial Loot System Feedback

Nefrion · November 06, 2006, 02:00:15 PM

Yes rogues come out on top on the priority list. No doubt about that.

We can both agree that 8000hp on Huhuran is marginals right? Well maybe that trinket is just what it takes to buff the dps that small amount?

But why is it that you simply WANT to have the best trinket? Why not the 2nd best? You are not using it for raids.

Maybe im just ignorant and fail to see the point.

Vargen · November 06, 2006, 02:34:43 PM

Please point out the 'second best' trinket then.

As for rogues coming out on top. You can, as a rogue, take every dps item that drops in the entire instance. Be at -10 000 DKP, and still take that trinket ahead of my 'unworthy' 4855 DKP. I spent most of my DKP getting the best possible healing kit I could get, but my character has another aspect as well.

Now tell me; If you in that one run whent from a complete tier 1 to a complete tier 2 set, maybe got a [item]circle of applied force[/item] and at nefarian a [item]Prestor's Talisman of Connivery[/item]. Would it be a life or death, zomgIneedthisoryouareallgonnadie kind of situation if you didn't get the [item]drake fang talisman[/item] as well?

This is just an example ofcorse. But given a situation like mentioned here. You do not want to be a rogue living in my naborhood.

Nefrion · November 06, 2006, 02:57:19 PM

First of all. Im not defending any rogues or anyone for that matter. And well your example is a little extreme... Probably sound better that way

We are talking past each other here. You are talking about you outside the raid and im talking about the RG.

And since you know it is the best in the game then you should know what is 2nd best... right?

jianlock · November 06, 2006, 02:57:34 PM

I think the new loot system is a waste of time :thumbsdown:

Lootmaster must now look at other list to make sure that the "right rouge" is getting his item before anybody else. And I really thinks that this is what is all about, some Rouges thinks that they alone can save the raid for a wipe or make the day. But sry you are just another brick in the wall.

I know this sounds hard to some1, but I have newer heard a mage/lock/priest or any other class than Rouge bitching about that they did't get the loot before some1 else.

So to in short therms

I 'm a simpel man and a big fan of KISS (Keep it simpel Stupid)

The one with most dkp, can choose to take the loot just like in the old days:)

Nefrion · November 06, 2006, 03:00:24 PM

Quote from: jianlock;161405I think the new loot system is a waste of time :thumbsdown:

Lootmaster must now look at other list to make sure that the "right rouge" is getting his item before anybody else. And I really thinks that this is what is all about, some Rouges thinks that they alone can save the raid for a wipe or make the day. But sry you are just another brick in the wall.

I know this sounds hard to some1, but I have newer heard a mage/lock/priest or any other class than Rouge bitching about that they did't get the loot before some1 else.

So to in short therms

I 'm a simpel man and a big fan of KISS (Keep it simpel Stupid)

The one with most dkp, can choose to take the loot just like in the old days:)

What happened to Spi then?

DarkAngel · November 06, 2006, 03:15:03 PM

A idea i had is making a channel at the beginning of the raid /sogrg2loot etc and you post in that chat when you want the item. This will allow all to know who is going for what. Then we post back who is 1st/2nd etc, this allowing dispute to other raid members instead of the general crap the master loot has to put up with. Its simple and effective.

Mazii · November 06, 2006, 03:27:04 PM

Quote from: DarkAngel;161410A idea i had is making a channel at the beginning of the raid /sogrg2loot etc and you post in that chat when you want the item. This will allow all to know who is going for what. Then we post back who is 1st/2nd etc, this allowing dispute to other raid members instead of the general crap the master loot has to put up with. Its simple and effective.

It's about the same as I wrote some posts back. You can just check your own DKP each time we kill a boss and when a certain item drop you want, you can post your DKP in raid chat/another channel.

Example:

[Raid] [Mazii]: [item]Drake Fang Talisman[/item] Post DKP
[Raid] [Vargen]: 1 millionish DKP
[Raid] [Nefrion]: zomg....1dkp
[Raid] [Vargen]: Pass to Nefrion
[Raid] [Mazii]: 3
[Raid] [Mazii]: 2
[Raid] [Mazii]: 1
[Raid] [Mazii]: Checking DKP
[Raid] [Mazii]: Nefrion wins

Secohan · November 06, 2006, 03:59:46 PM

Quote from: Incentos;161324Totally agree with nefrion here. I don't mind the talisman going to a feral druid but the dkp system you prefer Vargen also allows it to go to a loladin which makes me :ranting:. Especially when it is in the bank/bag during raids.

First of all I am not gonna make this looks like class rant but i really dont care how much u **** or care bcs as i am %50 holy %50 ret i can use my dkp whatever i want if i need it for my personal solo issues (Farm, PvP etc) as GD mentioned before. If we r talking for [Drake Fang Talisman] i already passed trinket 4 times and took 4 months to get it for myself as an example vargen still waiting trinket to drop nowadays which is abit not fair for hybrid classes. So what shall we do? only getting our Tiers from instances and then wait all classes to get items which we want that means like waiting 10-15 ppl minimum! not even gonna mention the duration! We already seperated DKP for every instance which will be very effective for the new players soon but it wont even help bcs of bull...ing after all raids about loots which should END :ranting2:

DonnieKingo · November 06, 2006, 04:11:44 PM

Quote from: Nefrion;161406What happened to Spi then?

AFAIK SPI left the raid because he got LIFO'ed - which he was warned about in the raidchat, and since he got in last, he was kicked.

For some reason he found it to be reason enough to /gquit - but AFAIK it didnt have anything to do with him not getting the gear he wanted....atleast it wasnt the last drop i think.

Nefrion · November 06, 2006, 04:55:36 PM

Well I feel I have proven my point... It IS about the loot

Vargen · November 06, 2006, 04:58:36 PM

Quote from: Nefrion;161406What happened to Spi then?

Don't even get me started

DonnieKingo · November 07, 2006, 07:00:06 AM

If we really should do what is best for the raid - then we should use a combination of priority and monitoring of each player - which is kinda impossible. But what i mean is that if we really want whats in the best intrest of the raid - we should look at which DPS-persons of the raid does the least amount of damage - and any new items should go to them.

The DPS'ers way down on the "damagemeters" has far mor potential of dps-growth than anyone thats allready on top of the dps-list.

I know its not as easy as that, since some people might just put their char on auto-attack and sit back and wait for the upgrades, and not everyone is equally specced for damage. Another "flaw" in this is that it rewards the new players - and the old players (and prob. the best equipped) will be left behind.

BUT that aside - i think it is the best way for boosting the damage in the raid - but it is hardly doable/acceptable.

Nefrion · November 07, 2006, 07:03:55 AM

Quote from: DonnieKingo;161506If we really should do what is best for the raid - then we should use a combination of priority and monitoring of each player - which is kinda impossible. But what i mean is that if we really want whats in the best intrest of the raid - we should look at which DPS-persons of the raid does the least amount of damage - and any new items should go to them.

The DPS'ers way down on the "damagemeters" has far mor potential of dps-growth than anyone thats allready on top of the dps-list.

I know its not as easy as that, since some people might just put their char on auto-attack and sit back and wait for the upgrades, and not everyone is equally specced for damage. Another "flaw" in this is that it rewards the new players - and the old players (and prob. the best equipped) will be left behind.

BUT that aside - i think it is the best way for boosting the damage in the raid - but it is hardly doable/acceptable.

It is doable but probably not acceptable! :norty:

Zabard · November 07, 2006, 08:45:43 AM

I think the idea that Mazii and Darkangel presents here is quite good. This way, we can stick to the old "who got the most DKP" and it makes it a lot easier for people to pass to others if they would like to, cause they can see who would like it.

Bob · November 07, 2006, 09:16:51 AM

Quote from: DonnieKingo;161506The DPS'ers way down on the "damagemeters" has far mor potential of dps-growth than anyone thats allready on top of the dps-list.

Sorry to disappoint you DK, but that logic of yours won't hold at all.

Now I don't know about the dps-list, but from my own exlperience in the healing-list, your position on that list doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with what gear you have.

And also, that'll just open up for people thinking "Hey, I need some new gear today, so I think I'll just take it easy and slack a bit through the raid"