Running from AQ40?

Nefrion · November 01, 2006, 09:47:11 AM

As of now is there no consequences bound together with not attending what you commited to? As soon as the attendance drops below what is agreed you get a reminder and if nothing happens within the following two weeks or month you get demoted. Could that be a solution or would it just make the situation worse?

Soulbringerx · November 01, 2006, 10:01:39 AM

As i wrote earlyer i will fill up the spot if needed till replacement is there.

Luthor · November 01, 2006, 10:45:30 AM

Nefrion, the system should already be like that. so if you havent been notified. you prolly know why

Padding · November 01, 2006, 11:04:52 AM

QuoteAs of now is there no consequences bound together with not attending what you commited to? As soon as the attendance drops below what is agreed you get a reminder and if nothing happens within the following two weeks or month you get demoted. Could that be a solution or would it just make the situation worse?

No its not that strict... then some people would already need a demotion, and frankly attendance is really hard to monitor for the officers. It takes like a LOT of management to look at and if they had to be strict about it, then some people in the guild couldnt live up to the guardian status

Thats why i think over recruiting is better than constantly demoting

THE RAID MUST GO ON

Soalra · November 01, 2006, 11:35:37 AM

Quote from: Padding;160394No its not that strict... then some people would already need a demotion, and frankly attendance is really hard to monitor for the officers. It takes like a LOT of management to look at and if they had to be strict about it, then some people in the guild couldnt live up to the guardian status

Thats why i think over recruiting is better than constantly demoting

THE RAID MUST GO ON

doesnt the dkp site give a indication as to recent attendance?

Padding · November 01, 2006, 11:45:19 AM

Quotedoesnt the dkp site give a indication as to recent attendance?

Its a full time job to keep eye on peoples attendance really... what if someone was ready to raid but didnt get into the raid due to class balance

The most optimal would be to have the same 40 people raiding all the same, but thats not likely to happen, so the ultimate question is:

How do you get 40+ people to raid 3 times a week, without getting people angry because the raid is called, and without people getting angry because they sometimes have to skip 1 raid night because we need extra people to get the 40+ each raid day

If someone knows the formula to that, please tell the officers. Its one of the biggest challenges for them

Soalra · November 01, 2006, 11:48:42 AM

well given the only time we have class extras is BWL night doesnt seem a problem, and has bin case for past month at least so does give a rather good indication, only few times we have had extras in aq40 they have entered the raid at some point to replace others so still gives a indication there too

oh and ur formula is simple, stricter rules, ppl either come or get thrown out, will slow down in short term due to ppl having to be removed but in longer term makes majority turn up

Luminance · November 01, 2006, 12:12:04 PM

i don't think you need an other formula, you need more devoted players.
If we needed a formula then bwl would face the same atendance problems as AQ or naxx.

Padding · November 01, 2006, 12:28:13 PM

Quotei don't think you need an other formula, you need more devoted players.
If we needed a formula then bwl would face the same atendance problems as AQ or naxx.

Well, its apparant there exists a problem, and most of the players in RG1 have been there 1year or more, so unless you wanna demote them, thats not gonna change.

If you look at my big post, it seems that if you calculate the numbers of players with the 5/6 attendance required, then we have too few players all in all. I think its a major luxury that we dont have to kick someone from the raid each week, and its a luxury we cannot afford if we want to progress in AQ40 / Naxxramas. Officers need a large base of players to choose from, not starting out with 35 and then getting to 40 during the evening. Optimally they need more than 40 for every raid, so they can configure the best baseline of players for that specific raid day

Again i say: some players will have to skip certain raid days, and that sux. But if you want to progress you need to keep pounding that same instance, and those same bosses week after week, with the right amount of people and the right raid configuration

Knabbel · November 01, 2006, 01:12:24 PM

If it's that much work I would suggest to hand it over to the Marshalls. Why do everything alone? Even class leaders can calculate attendance so that would take of pretty much steam.....

Or make a new role...attendance master!!!!

just my two copper....

Luthor · November 01, 2006, 02:01:48 PM

That could be an option. good idea really.

Nefrion · November 01, 2006, 02:37:49 PM

I agree with Deadalus.
Your idea Padding with recruiting new people might work but then you just signal that it is okay to drop below 80% attendance and then you get into a viscious circle where you need to recruit more people and attendance drops.

ratatosk · November 02, 2006, 01:32:25 PM

I know my attendance have been BAD Lately and iam sry for it! :sad: But i have alot of trouble on the homefront both Dragon and Work! on top of that i need to find out if i shall pick up Floorball and so on! My attendance will pick up again shortly i hope u bare with that! and for AQ versus Naxx versus BWL! I must say AQ FTW and i really enjoy that instance so lets clear it before Naxx! And BWL i got no loot that i must have left in BWL so my spot there can be taken for those needed!
So my reason for not being there are NOT that i dont wanna Join the wiping until we get them down! That way makes it more fun !

TeaLeaf · November 02, 2006, 01:39:54 PM

Recording attendance statistics is not the issue, that's a simple process. The difficulty is assessing when to act on the analysis of the data - and that's a job that is (a) subjective (someone will always think you are wrong and they are right) and (b) something that the Field Marshalls cannot hand over to anyone else.

TL.

TeaLeaf · November 02, 2006, 01:41:38 PM

Quote from: ratatosk;160626And BWL i got no loot that i must have left in BWL so my spot there can be taken for those needed!

Our difficulty is not trouble getting people into the raid for the right loot. Whether or not someone has all the loot they need from BWL we should all still attend. Better to have a surplus than be a few under and call the raid.

TL.