Running from AQ40?

Bastet · October 31, 2006, 06:44:46 PM

Todays raid to naxx got scrubbed due to lack of attendance, now i seen a trend lately that when ever there is AQ on the agenda that attendance is dodge, or just plain bad, leading to canceld raids, or less then ideal group setups. And since BWL/MC was clear, i think ppl figured we would go to AQ and thus didnt bother to show up at all.

If the lot of you dont to do AQ, or raid, then for petes sake let us know so we can work out something.

Dajo · October 31, 2006, 06:51:08 PM

Sucks really, we need more dedicated people

TeaLeaf · October 31, 2006, 07:03:55 PM

A personal view and a general comment about where we are heading and the people we want to have with us in RG1 in the future. This is not a comment about tonight specifically, it's a general comment borne out of the distress that RG1's raid was called due to only 28 people being in the raid at 19:30. Everyone needs to think about it.

If you don't want to do AQ40 then you don't want to do the Twins
If you don't want to do the Twins then you don't want to do C'Thun.
If you don't want to do the Twins or C'Thun then you don't want to do the groundwork needed to do Naxxramas.
If you don't want to do the groundwork necessary then you will not learn how to participate fully in the high degree of teamwork required to kill Naxxramas bosses.
If you don't want to be part of the team then give up your RG1 place to someone who values it and does want to be part of the team.
We just set an Aszune server record for clearing Molten Core, so we know we are good.
The average RG1 member is better geared than the average Righteous & Friends Raid Group 1 member.
We can do what they do.
But only when we have consistency in attendance and 40 people in the raid.
Long Live SOG!

TL.

Soalra · October 31, 2006, 07:06:33 PM

just on a personal note i couldnt get online, have only just got to point where it didnt throw me off and go to disco screen and thats after 2 hours of trying, umbra says he had something similar, perhaps that was a factor tonight?

but in general yea big problems on wipe nights

StrontiumDog · October 31, 2006, 07:49:40 PM

Like I have posted over the past couple weeks tonight should be my last missed raid this year as Im working mon-fri 0700 - 1600 until xmas and after that the only raids I will miss is when I am covering other peoples holidays (like I am just now).

Rest assured I don't mind wiping, and in fact have given up pvp more or less during the days to grind gold to help the guild as much as I can. Wether it be respeccing or maxxing damage all my gold goes on helping you guys. To highlight the point i recently spent 300g to add 15 + damage and 1% crit this is not to benefit me as such but for me to utilise everything i have for you guys.

Like I said I have no problem trashing my gear night in night out, but when I can't raid then at least I give you plenty of notice of it.

Luminance · October 31, 2006, 07:54:48 PM

RG1 isn't RG1 for nothing, wiping is part of getting progress, so i fully agree with TL if you don't wanna wipe then leave RG1! (or RG2 ofc)

Padding · October 31, 2006, 09:45:20 PM

Earlier i wanted to do both AQ40 and Naxx in the same weeks, now i've changed my opinion

In my opinion ALL focus should be set on AQ40 bringing that instance down AT ALL COSTS

We still need a lot of stuff from BWL, so that should be forgotten either, but we should go back to having BWL/AQ/AQ scheme, and we should use all time possible for that. Having the absolute most time at the Twins should be #1 priority. Only when we've beaten AQ40 fully and more than once, can we think about Naxxramas

Neff · October 31, 2006, 10:02:17 PM

Im feelin' kinda offended by all this "down twins" talk. TL, my lawyer will talk to you.

oh and to add something on topic: Wipe,kill,loot,wipe,loot,kill Rejoice for good teamwork. Rinse repeat.

Akall · October 31, 2006, 10:14:17 PM

Flashback...same problem we had on the Nefarian tries

Padding · October 31, 2006, 10:27:57 PM

QuoteFlashback...same problem we had on the Nefarian tries

Not quite.... in AQ40 we are typically lacking a lot of people week after week... we called 2-3 full clear nights of working on the twins, because of not enough people

AQ40 is very gear and class dependant, so we need a surplus of a lot of classes otherwise its just not possible

Vargen · November 01, 2006, 01:00:49 AM

I will just once again point out the concept behind the Guardian rank. Having 40 ppl with near 100% attendance over 3 raid days a week.

In RG1 there is barely room for 1 person per class to be abcent. This is purposly, because we don't want to leave anyone out. We also want a tight team that stick together and work for progress, and not have to gear up and 'teach' more ppl then nessesary and have ppl left feel left out.

We aim to get the most out of the three raid nights we have. Right now, it is two effective raid nights, if that. It should be three FULL nights!
Are you a Guardian? Or just pretending to be one...

Sinap · November 01, 2006, 01:06:38 AM

Back for sundays raid hopefully, so make it 29 soon =P

Padding · November 01, 2006, 08:56:28 AM

Lets look a bit about how many people we actually have available for raiding each week.

Its required that you raid approximately 80% of the time or lets say 5/6 in 2 weeks as it says in the Guardian approach

Here is the current status of guardians in the guild:

GUARDIAN:
We have the following openings in the Guardian (Raid Group 1) ranks:

Druid: FULL
Hunter: 1 Hunter
Mage: FULL
Paladin: FULL
Priest: 1 Spots, Dwarf preferred
Rogue: 1 Spot
Warrior: FULL
Warlock: FULL

So we are lacking 3 people as guardians which would set us down to the MAX of 56-3=53 people to get 40 people from.

If we had 7 of each class as guardians we would have 7x8=56 people as guardians, but i know for a fact that not all classes are 7 since the attendance is very high.

I dont know how many people that is, but lets just say 3, its definately in that area

The math then puts us down to 50 people all in all from which you need 40 people from every week. Now apply the 80% raiding rule, which is all you are required to raid as Guardians and you get a average raiding of people in each raid which is exactly 40

Im bringing this up, because i think we are lacking people to choose from when we want the 40 people to raid week and week over again

I for one would rather have to skip a raid 1 day due to too many people, than sit back and wait for the attendance to go up

In my opinion, nothing must stop the raid from going forward, so if it means i must sacrifice myself for the raid, thats not a problem for me

The only reason it actually runs round now, is because a lot of people have 100% attedance. What happens the day when 1-2 of these people cant attend for some reason? Then the raid stop, and that must not happen

The other option except recruiting to the full potential i see, is keeping all guardians to their word and demoting people that doesnt meet the criteria

This problem will not solve itself, so i hope all people will consider their own engagement and maybe think about some solutions that we can use, so we make sure that the raid keeps moving on

Knabbel · November 01, 2006, 09:16:34 AM

Quote from: Padding;160356The other option except recruiting to the full potential i see, is keeping all guardians to their word and demoting people that doesnt meet the criteria

I fully agree on that for both RG groups. As it is stated in the application. It's like "Let me in let me in"...."Ahhh I'm in...." and then some attendance will drop. Ofc it can happen from time to time (maybe it is such time now) but where do you draw the line?

Difficult one.

Lucian · November 01, 2006, 09:33:03 AM

I have explained my problems with attendance over the coming weeks and the officers are aware of it.

After that I hope for the required attendance... Please note now that SB has left, we're highly dependent on two newish hunters who aren't terribly well equipped. I'm still lacking 3 DS, and they lack the vast majority of it!