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[Hektor]

I haven't got time to do the full google bit, but I guess a study of that girl that was raised by animals would be a good place to start.

Also a friend has a mentally ill child who is 14, who doesn't understand right from wrong, would it be hardwired in before an illness?  Cue conversations about the remaining 2/3 of your brain, is that where morals are kept?

im not sure about mental disease. youre right its a special case. you say she doesnt know if something is right or wrong. is that so in every situation?
what i mean is, does she know that killing a human is wrong? - well i guess she know that, because otherwise something terrible already happened.
maybe she also know that its wrong to hurt other people... so only in some cases she dont knoe how to behave?
well, as i said before, i think everyone know right and wrong. people with mental diseases need a lot of help from other people, because they arent so concious thus far as other people are. we all have to learn the right behavior of course, maybe when someone is handicapped, he learn, only much slower...
well, its a good aspect that you mentioned, and i must admit i havent thought so much about it, but ill do

[delanvital]

its exhausting to argue about metaphisics isnt it?
i think i believe its a question of faith not of thinking. well, thats what i belive... i think... :g:
(also not bad hu?)
is it in your opinion possible to make an artificial intelligence which is alike humans?
you said, that there is nothing special on a human being, so to follow your argumentation, humans must be able, technical knowledge assumed, to create an artificial intelligence which is exactly like the intelligence of a  "normal" human being. would you say that this is possible?

As you say techical knowledge assumed, yes I believed so.

[Hektor]

As you say techical knowledge assumed, yes I believed so.

i see. have you ever heard of the chinese room?
its an example from a philosoph, im afraid i forgot his name, to the topic ai.
imagine there is a room. there is only one table with a book on it and left and right to the table, there is a hole. a person sits on the table. sometimes, there comes a piece of paper out of the left hole. on the paper is a chinese ideographs. the person who sits on the table isnt able to understand the letters, but in his book he has a list of every possible incomming chinese letter, so he can compare the form of the letter with those in his book.
so the book is like a dictionary, but he isnt able tto understand the translation as well, because the translation is in japanese, which he also didnt understand.
everytime he gets a letter in chinese from the left hole, he must look up the letter in his dictionary, compare it, and find the suitable letter to it in japanese. when he found the right letter, he must put it into the hole to his right side.
as you see, every human is able to do this.
because the letters are hieroglyphics, we wouldnt understand, but when someone give us this book, we are able to do this task of "traanslation", even if we didnt understand the true meaning of the words, because its only get letters from the left hole, looking at hieroglyphics, compare it with the book, take the adequate hieroglyphics and put it into the right hole.
so far so good.  
does the person really understand the words or is there any sense, sanity or autonomous thinking required for these actions?
this is exactly the way a computer is working. he has no intelligence, because everything he is doing, is given to him, is programmed. he can "translate", but he isnt able to understand! he isnt able to think and decide autonomous, because he can only acting thus far as his programer programmed him. he just look up in a dictionary and "translate" hieroglyphics which he didnt understand.
and his "intelligence" only reach so far as his programmer has given him vocabulary.
with technological improvement, men can only enlarge the vocabulary, but the precept will stay the same.
he has no free will, he isnt "smart" and he isnt able to do "own"decisions.
im sure that someday computers will be able to do a lot of things much better than humans can do (they already do in some cases), but theyll never be able to be free in "thinking", autonomous and rational and theyll never UNDERSTAND!!!