FIA Decision

[TeaLeaf]

Its mainly to do with the combination of Ferrari's longer wheel base and unable to maintain heat in the tires in rain conditions. The rules do state that if a competitor gains an advantage over an opponent when taking a non racing line, they will be given a penalty (+25 seconds is the standard time rather one they pluck out of the air)

Still harsh, and I hope they win their appeal!

Sorry, but Schumacher used a longer wheel base car and was good in the rain.  This is a driver sport, they make a difference and from what I have seen, Hamilton is demonstrably better at it than either Ferrari driver when it's wet, just like Schumacher was when it was wet.

As for the advantage - where?  He gave the place back and passed the start finish line behind Kimi and going 6kph slower than Kimi, so where exactly is this difference?  Remember the penalty only applies if the place is not given back!

TL.

[delankster]

if your gonna pull the "gained advantage from going off the track" ploy
didn't kimi do the same slightly after said incident?
Both him and lewis went wide into the fast left hander onto the run off tarmac, lewis rejoined straight away but kimi stayed on it and got better drive and closed right up behind him. This was just before the car pulled out on them both and kimi spun .
But thats different right ?

[Snokio]

The Ferrari was only discovered to have a longer wheel base before the beggining last season by Renult, but not sure if Ferrari had a long wheel base back then though tbh, and of course its also down to driver and the loss of TC (thats when they earn their money).

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[Aquilifer]

The only thing what amazes me is that someone is still following that...circus. Here you have to pay even extra that you can see that :sideways:
All what I have read about Kimi, Lewis and Alonso makes me think they are hell of annoying people.

I stopped following F1 some 10 years ago.

[delankster]

I stopped following F1 some 10 years ago.

Gave up on it a few years ago but started watching again last year when they brought in the new reg's which i think help move the sport on but with the events of the wkend people will be turning off in there droves, including me :sad:

[Thulsa Doom]

Harsh decision, but I think the stewards maybe feel though he had the momentum even though he let him pass slightly.

However, at the end of the race is made no difference as Kimi crashed.

Does seem like McLaren in general get more than their fair share of bad decisions.

[TeaLeaf]

From the BBC website confirming the absurdity of the Stewards' decision:

Lauda unhappy with Hamilton penalty

David Croft on Hamilton penalty.

To get someone like Lauda to say something this outspoken is really quite something and like a a sighted iceberg, gives you a glimpse of just the just tip of the anger at the penalty applied at the Spa Grand Prix.  The bulk of the people so far are quiet in the matter, but if Lauda has spoken out the strength of feeling about this issue in the pit lane must be immense.  He even mentions the unmentionable, a Ferrari biaised FIA.   It seems like the FIA & Ferrari are the only ones happy with the Hamilton decision.  The whole pitlane (bar Ferrari) are gob-smacked, the public are frustrated and confused and the Stewards are flueless cuckwits.

TL.

(with apologies for my French)

[Jabbs]

I'm beginning to not give a toss any more. :angry:

Scrub that, I don't give a toss any more.

I started watching again last year when Lewis and the rules changed (something about traction control seemed to make things waaaay more interesting)

Problem is the FIA seem to be stifling freedom and there does seem to be a bias against McClaren and Lewis.

Now I'm seriously considering not bothering to watch - No I tell a lie, I AM going to watch because I want to see Lewis win the damn thing despite the tough times he's going through

if your gonna pull the "gained advantage from going off the track" ploy
didn't kimi do the same slightly after said incident?
Both him and lewis went wide into the fast left hander onto the run off tarmac, lewis rejoined straight away but kimi stayed on it and got better drive and closed right up behind him. This was just before the car pulled out on them both and kimi spun .
But thats different right ?

From the BBC website confirming the absurdity of the Stewards' decision:

Lauda unhappy with Hamilton penalty

David Croft on Hamilton penalty.

To get someone like Lauda to say something this outspoken is really quite something and like a a sighted iceberg, gives you a glimpse of just the just tip of the anger at the penalty applied at the Spa Grand Prix.  The bulk of the people so far are quiet in the matter, but if Lauda has spoken out the strength of feeling about this issue in the pit lane must be immense.  He even mentions the unmentionable, a Ferrari biaised FIA.   It seems like the FIA & Ferrari are the only ones happy with the Hamilton decision.  The whole pitlane (bar Ferrari) are gob-smacked, the public are frustrated and confused and the Stewards are flueless cuckwits.

TL.

(with apologies for my French)

I couldn't agree with you more.

Hamilton still raw and making mistakes but by far the most talented driver there it seems or McClaren wouldnt place so much faith in him.

Come on guys - let's get behind Lewis for the next few races rather than be turned off by the events!  He's British what ho!

[Lexander]

This is now turning Brits behind lewis VS Ferrari/FIA :roflmao:
I know he is your national hero and all sort of stuff but there needs to be in some sort of sanity.
If you break the rules you deal with the consequenses.

   And If we think of last year(and this is a quote from italian newspaper): Lewis cause some distubanse behind a safetycar in Japan and in Germany where he got back to the track with a crane and in Hungary where he cause alonso to have a penaly in the pitlane or in Brazil where he slowed kimi down in qualifying. He just has lost his immunity.
  Now you will probably rip my head of but those are the facts. While I'm behind kimi(you know why) I still blame the tires and ferrari for not making the car to work, not hamilton. But it is just a fact that he broke the rules and got advantage and therefore got a penalty.

[TeaLeaf]

Ok, leave now if you do not like rants.

Lewis did get an advantage to the next corner after the cutting one. When he let Kimi back to the lead as he was supposed, his speed/position was better than he would normally had after the previos corner.  And based on that, Lewis got the +25sec.

Incorrect, he was behind, let Kimi pass and was slowing as they passed the finish line, he simply out-manouvred and outbraked Kimi into the first corner and over took him.  Please provide contrary evidence if you disagree with these facts as seen on the video you linked and as issued by McLaren to the FIA.

How should I explain it...
  If they would have come out of the corner normaly Lewis would have been behind of kimi and he should have "followed kimi's line" but at the staight line
He was in way different place.
Here are the last moments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5XL_UXd3Pk
I think that showes it.

So, Lewis went into the chicane ahead of Kimi, Kimi then pushed him off (allowed) and Kimi had the better exit and traction out of the chicane along the straight as evidence by video and data (refer to the above)  Lewis ggave the position back, then out-manouvred and out-braked him into the first corner.

I have to correct...  
  Because all went prefect before the last tires change (from 4 position to 1 and leading the whole race) and also Massa said that the hard tires were not getting a good grip and it was hard to drive with them => hard tires + rain  = fail.  And about the +25sec, I read that lewis would have got a "drive through pit" penalty if there was more laps left, but as the race ended it was turned to a +25seconds.

Tyres were same for all, sorry, so that's irrelvant.  Refer to my previous comments about wet weather driver performance.  I said Schumacher was good in the wet too (he's German btw, not British and last time I looked used to race in a Ferrari).

This is now turning Brits behind lewis VS Ferrari/FIA :roflmao:

Sorry Lex, it appears ony you are trying to do that.  Answer with some info, not unsupported accusations.

I know he is your national hero and all sort of stuff but there needs to be in some sort of sanity.  If you break the rules you deal with the consequenses.

Again, it appears to be you doing this, not anyone else.  Sure he's British, but please stop the xenophobic bs, I even included a german ferrari driver in my praise but you ignored it.  My issue is with the decision.  

And If we think of last year(and this is a quote from italian newspaper): Lewis cause some distubanse behind a safetycar in Japan and in Germany where he got back to the track with a crane and in Hungary where he cause alonso to have a penaly in the pitlane or in Brazil where he slowed kimi down in qualifying. He just has lost his immunity.

Not sure what these comments are doing here.  He got a penalty for all those as I recall, and they have nothing to do with the penalty in question.

Now you will probably rip my head of but those are the facts.

Sorry, I must have missed the facts, please elaborate.  Be specific.  

While I'm behind kimi(you know why)

Actually no I don't.  

I still blame the tires and ferrari for not making the car to work, not hamilton.

So it was the cars and the tyres.  That really helps.

But it is just a fact that he broke the rules and got advantage and therefore got a penalty.

Please point out the infraction in greater detail, because according to the video and the data released to the FIA and 95% of pitlane there was no infraction.

TL.
PS  Senna was billiant in the wet too, so I guess that my support for Schumacher's, Senna's and Hamilton's skill in the wet now makes this xenophobia of yours Brit/Brazillian/German v Ferrari/FIA?

PPS Sorry for such a long lien of quotes, but I hate generalities and inaccuracies.

[KKND]

Thought bout Jos Verstappen with his wet skills....:norty:.

Bout the race think the FIA is abit afraid for Ferrari.
Before they start too claim,they put Myclaren back...

Happend before...and will happen again...

[Lexander]

I won't start quoting as that will probably lead to a huge-, unreadable quotepyramid which will eventually break the forum.

And that wasn't supposed to be any sort of rant, I was just merely pointing out some other opinions, and as I said those were quoted from sources, not my own opinion.

   I'm not attacking anyone, just participated on a conversation. And no matter how angry we are we can't change the decission made by FIA, we can only talk about it and see how it goes.

[Jabbs]

So far neither FIA or Ferrari have provided contrary evidence to that shown by McClaren.

Interesting don't you think?

Also as already mentioned it isn't just us Brits that are moaning about a 'biased' decision.  Most of the pitlane are saying the same.  So unless they are all Brits in disguise I don't think our complaints are because we are English.

Once I got over my emotional disgust I looked at the situation with my practical head on (just a couple of screws so it's nice and easy to change) and I STILL came up with the same answers.

• Side by side in first corner (Lewis not behind)
• Lewis gives Kimi lead and therefore behind at start line
• Lewis outbrakes Kimi
• Lewis takes lead
• Simple

[DogMeat]

All this nonsense about the FIA and the poison dwarf being biased towards Ferrari has to stop.

[Jabbs]

All this nonsense about the FIA and the poison dwarf being biased towards Ferrari has to stop.

rofl, and he isn't grabbing more a grope