Community Changes

[BrotherTobious]

Just so I can get it, if we go off on to a public server and we have not earnt our tags we dont wear them.  But if we have we wear the tags?

I always saw my old clan tags as not only a thing to earn and I understand the playing how we do and not beinging a bunch of muppets when learning a new game.

But Tags were also great way to advertise our community.  Someone see us playing well and sees our Tags then they come and check us out.

So if you can confirm this for me caues I am a little lost atm.  I am sorry if I covering old ground but I dont want to do something wrong when the changes are brought in.

[Toxteth]

LOL Doggers - that should be compulsory coursework on the avoidance of mixed metaphors :lmfao:

:lmfao: agree'd! That was great doggers, although I became over whelmed and lost the meaning to the end and had to read it a second time.

[Jabbs]

LOL Doggers - that should be compulsory coursework on the avoidance of mixed metaphors :lmfao:

The idea of the badges is not 'rank' as such Sulks, but more to identify the games that people play. It's not meant to be restrictive and it's not punitive.

PEN

My understand of the forum badges/icons were to show what the main game of the person was and to show whether they were a 'Player' 'Admin' or 'Section Head'.  This to me isn't a bad thing but shows some structure.

With reference to people being made Admin over and above others, I guess it's like the real world.  People are promoted in the real world and given jobs that others felt they should have been given.  This is life.

Looking back, I'm sure there are some who would have thought the same about me going to Charlie so quickly (0-Charlie in 3 months).  I can easily mention one or two others who have got Admin and I've thought at the time "That could have been me", but at the end of the day like I said..."That's life".

So to end my mini rant, keep with this community people, I KNOW all the leaders and admins have the best interests of the community at heart and I'm sure our contributions are listened to with all seriousness they deserve.

Shoot you later!

[RizZy]

The thing thats been bothering me is, from reading a reply in the other post it made it sound to me as, for example, If I start playing CoD4 - obviously I'm not gonna be as good as everyone else thats played it from the start & I'm not going to be allowed to wear dMw tags untill I prove myself not to be an embarrassment? I always thought that once I'd originally proved myself worthy that'd cover me, but now I've gotta prove myself for every game we take up?

To quote OB -

For example those four could all be highly respected long term members of Dead Men Racing trying CoD4 for the evening. Do you want to see them wearing the CoD4 tag while they stumble around learning the ropes? Works both ways.

Aslong as there not playing like twats then whats the problem in them wearing the tags?

[Penfold]

As long as there not playing like twats then whats the problem in them wearing the tags?

This has really come about because we now cater for a wider range of game style than previously - such as racing/sims/mmorpg and these have less interchangeable skills.

Previously there was pretty much a direct correlation between games (i.e. all FPS styled). So you could pretty much migrate from one FPS to another with very little practice. CS -> BF -> BF2 -> COD

The issue now is that there are very different games and streams and the existing bravo and charlie membership structure works fine for CS and FPS games but is not relevant for racing (and WoW for that matter). It takes a lot of practice, for instance, to become anything near proficient on the racetrack. It just wouldn't work of for example I decided I wanted to have a race and rocked on up to the dMr server, donned my helmet and let rip wearing my dMw tag. There would a a gulf of difference between me driving and the other dMw'ers and wearing the tag would make a nonsence and mockery of it and reflect badly.. However, once I've done a few laps, learned the rules of the road, realised it's a race and not the dodgems (basically fit in with the gaming ethos), then I'd get the tag.. don't matter if I was slower than slow.

Same goes for CS and COD. It's not about ability - it never has been. You know as well as anyone it's all about teamplay, not being a complete plank and playing to the dMw style. How can someone who has only ever raced suddenly decide he fancies a game of COD and rock up to the CODpubbie server wearing the tag - until he has learned how we plan, the rules - both written and unwritten, and have a basic grasp of the teamplay?

As we've said, it's not meant punitive. It's just meant to identify the games you play. Really it's not going to be hard to get the tags, that's not the idea. It is only really to ensure that there is a basic standard across the servers so that we don't look like a bunch of amateurs.

PEN

[Doorman]

I was under the impression the 'steenkin' padges' simply denote the games that you DO play. I don't play WoW so I wouldn't expect the 'padge' That doesn't mean that IF I wanted to play WoW (or any other s*dding game) I wouldn't be able to 'dMw' up, so to speak. However, I DO play LFS, CS:S and CoD4. I post a lot of crap in the forum so I hope I get a forum 'padge'. I've been to loads of LANs so....etc. Another 'however' if I decide to dip my toe into...(name the game) and don't like it, I wouldn't expect a 'padge' for that game.
That doesn't mean I'm a bad person
If I reread that I wont post it so 'click'

[Blunt]

I've always thought that once you'd been sussed out, bravo'd then charlie'd, it was taken as read that whatever game you were playing, you would attempt to play with the dMw ethos, and that if you were wearing the tag, it was a given that you are an ambassador for the community.

we already have -=[dMw]=- and |dMw and -=[dMr]=- and SoG, and as far as I'm concerned, if one of the Racers, FPS'ers or Elves wants to play each others game, then I'd rather know that they were 1 of us.

I'm sure I haven't "got this":blink:

[Penfold]

{posts from Sulky's thread in 'Seriously though' merged here to keep all in once place}

We're aware the difference between badges and tags and their usage is causing some confusion and will clarify the situation shortly.

Thanks

[Lee]

The problem is also that people will not feel part of the community really if they don't have the tag on. For example, I could go into the CoD4 server with just the name "Lee", i'm sure there are millions of people with that name but not millions with the dMw prefix, so there could be some confusion there. I guess i'm just wondering what this rule will truly achieve? Hopefully I haven't missed the explanation for this.

[Penfold]

The problem is also that people will not feel part of the community really if they don't have the tag on. For example, I could go into the CoD4 server with just the name "Lee", i'm sure there are millions of people with that name but not millions with the dMw prefix, so there could be some confusion there. I guess i'm just wondering what this rule will truly achieve? Hopefully I haven't missed the explanation for this.

I'm not to repeat the entire conversation here again. Like Oldie says:

That is indeed true were we just playing team-based first person shooters which is why I said in one of my earlier replies that there will be a lot of crossover
. But, for example, we now support a driving section for racing sims. What we identified was that it was not appropriate for members of Charlie Section (as was) to wear the Dead Men Racing tag (dMr) while they were coming to terms with the skills needed to drive properly. Just as guests on our CounterStrike servers judge us by the way we play - guests on our racing servers will judge us by the way we drive. If they see a tag-wearing driver lurching around the track then that damages our reputation. So if we have this 'test' of suitability to wear the dMr tag then, to be fair, we must have it for all sections.

I think Whitey summed it up pretty well...

I think we need to just clarify that people who have been awarded the tag/badge by any of the Section heads on a dMw game will be fast tracked on any other dMw game.
 
For example: If someone has the dMr tag, then I know they are a mature level headed person. If they decide to play CS and have a grasp of the TCS rules then they would be awarded the CS tag/badge, no waiting for 3/6 months.

Now although it's totally up to the Section Admin of that particular game to award the badge - I'm pretty darn sure that most of it will happen instantaneously. It's not as though everyone's being sent back to start from scratch. if you're currrent at CS and COD then I imagine you'll be awarded the badge straight off. It's only if you start to play games you're not conversant in will there be a delay.

Are we totally off the ball here - does no one else appreciate that if someone who has only ever raced on dMR and never picked up a gun decides to dip their toe into CS:S then it's probably not a good idea they sport the -=[dMw]=- tag immediately until they've learned the rudimentary elements of TCS (and vice versa)?

Some of the Game Section Admins have made it abundantly clear that they do not want people to migrate from one game stream to another and wear the tag for a game for which they have had no practical experience.

[Jabbs]

I couldn't agree more - if anyone there is unsure of this then I say be patient and see how it goes. :dribble:

[Blunt]

IAre we totally off the ball here - does no one else appreciate that if someone who has only ever raced on dMR and never picked up a gun decides to dip their toe into CS:S then it's probably not a good idea they sport the -=[dMw]=- tag immediately until they've learned the rudimentary elements of TCS (and vice versa)?

Some of the Game Section Admins have made it abundantly clear that they do not want people to migrate from one game stream to another and wear the tag for a game for which they have had no practical experience.

The answer is then, that if I wanted to try my hand at driving on our dMr server I should wear my CSS -=[dMw]=- tag and all my comrades would know that I was a community member and a racing n00b.
Likewise, if a dMr tries out CSS with that tag, we would all be in the picture.
It happens occasionally with some SoG'ers, they wore that tag on our CSS server and we were all happy.
:2cents:

[Anonymous]

The answer is then, that if I wanted to try my hand at driving on our dMr server I should wear my CSS -=[dMw]=- tag and all my comrades would know that I was a community member and a racing n00b.
Likewise, if a dMr tries out CSS with that tag, we would all be in the picture.
It happens occasionally with some SoG'ers, they wore that tag on our CSS server and we were all happy.
:2cents:

Bleedin' sensible approach if you ask me :withstupid:

[Doorman]

That wasn't difficult was it? Where were YOU when we needed you?

[OldBloke]

Here comes grumpy trousers ...

This thread is for information and debate. All the points made here will be taken into consideration when the senior admins finalise their decisions.