0d / B

TeaLeaf · September 22, 2003, 09:31:05 PM

I joined a game tonight and saw 0d at 15-0 on de_inferno. People were mentioning as I joined that all 15 were head shots. I killed myself and followed him first person for a few rounds. As I forgot to go to the proper 'spectate' mode, I had to kill myself at the start of each round. When the map changed to de_train he asked what was up. I told him I was in the middle of something and would brb. I then watched him for a couple of rounds again.

Before he asked me what was up he showed lightning fast reactions and headshots each time. He only got killed once the entire map.

After he asked me why I was killing myself he showed slow and inaccurate reactions. He got killed more times than he killed and was what I would call 'normal' standard.

Now I know that there are some *real* good peeps out there playing CS, but it was the dramatic difference in quality of mouse control that stuck out a mile to me. With his earlier play he *was* incredible. After asking me what was up, his play was just average.

Colour me cynical but I think I just watched my first 1.6 aimbot tonight. I'm going to watch the demos I made of it (if I can find them and if they recorded properly) and I'll upload them here later if they are worth uploading.

If you see him on the server, please keep your eye on him.

TL.

Dr Sadako · September 22, 2003, 09:41:50 PM

I just first personed him on Inferno again and he seems indeed very dodgy. He had a 24-4 score (joining mid of ongoing map) and did some incredible shots again. Stupid as I was I didn't record a demo.

One thing that I have noticed is that he sometimes stands completely still e.g. at spawn but not buying stuff. Could be going through vgui menus.

I know there are OGC with vgui menus for 1.6. Check the link I posted in admins cheating forum.

I will try and get a demo as well.

TeaLeaf · September 22, 2003, 09:44:53 PM

OK I need something that plays a 1.6 demo file. My Geekplayer won't run it. Doh.
I'll try pointing it at the new hl.exe but I think that wil not work.....

TL.

JonnyAppleSeed · September 22, 2003, 09:51:35 PM

I was also looking at this Od fellow .........i didnt demo but did get the feeling he had some burst fire action going on.....ill demo next time i need an excuse to test it

as for demos i hope they still run through the game .......ie with the play demo command

TeaLeaf · September 22, 2003, 09:54:21 PM

I'm stuck - how do you play a demo in 1.6?

TL.

OldBloke · September 22, 2003, 10:17:26 PM

Copy the .dem file to your cstrike folder.

Start a CS game. From console type:

playdemo xxxx.dem

TeaLeaf · September 22, 2003, 11:59:33 PM

Ah, it was the spelling I got wrong. His name is 0d but my demos were saved as Od.

First demo shows two very quick headshots in a 1-2 situation, but then it shows him getting killed. He then asks why I am dying all the time. Then he gets killed again.
Second demo currupt file.
Third demo shows one average kill, one good kill, then he got killed.

The demos on their own show nothing conclusive. I just wish i could have remembered to record earlier as I do not believe the demos show the full extent of his earlier quality play. The first two kills were indicative of the way he was playing - he rounded a corner and ina 1-2 situation got headshots on them both very quickly. The remainder of the demo shows average skill levels, not really consistent with the first two kills unless you called them lucky shots. Trouble is that there were 14 or so lucky shots before that too.

I have to say that we have no proof and therefore the jury must remain out on this one. Watch him carefully and lets see how it progresses from here.

TL.

Dr Sadako · September 23, 2003, 09:29:34 AM

If you installed the commandmenu.txt that OB did to the RZE-script you can play demo from that I think. :unsure:

OldBloke · October 02, 2003, 10:28:28 PM

He was on again tonight playing as B.

He was 20-3 or something like that <_<

On map change I ghosted him for only one round and it looked to me as if he may be using a no-recoil script. He definately isn't wallhacking. After that round he paused in spawn for a long time before moving off.

More observations needed before we do anything.

JonnyAppleSeed · October 02, 2003, 10:34:28 PM

yup i was in a ponder about this ....i did a couple of demo,s ill have a look and let you know <_<

bugger missing riff/wav chunks.......ie demo buggerd

but from what i cought in game lots of shooting at the edges of walls for no reason......fair enough.....i do it all the time but i dont get any kills

one to watch/record :huh:

Also question::::::::: is there a way to change between players using the in game play function?(play od.dem)...if not its gunna be real difficult for me to to get a bead on any suspect players

Stryker · October 03, 2003, 09:09:12 AM

I was there too. He was also frag hunting which seems to support the theory.

Just ban him. If he is innocent he will protest it. Certainly seems he isnt tho, esp with the name changes.

OldBloke · October 03, 2003, 09:20:38 AM

I'd rather not ban him yet.

He was playing properly and making excellent use of voicecomms. I saw no fraghunting tbh.

Also, as we suspect him of cheating, we can use him to improve our admin skills. Just keep an eye open and take demos. The one I took last night is inconclusive btw.

albert · October 03, 2003, 09:23:06 AM

I have tried to catch him cheating a few times.Most recently I demoed him in Italy when he hade accumulated 10 kills in 2 rounds. Immediately ne died 5 times in succession. He generally aims at wall with alarming regularity and contrary to earlier comments, I have seen him kill a number of people through walls. He also has a tendancy to strafe out from behind a wall and headshot without having surveyed the route prior to is first shot which is also a bit suspicious.

As soon as anyone becomes a spectator,abd I have noted this trait of his on a total of 5 occasions, he becomes average. I think he might have been alerted to the fact he is being watched when TL first went into spectator mode ot track him.

So what is the procedure? Does he get a friendly warning to say we are watching him and if anything out of the ordinary is demoed then he will get a ban? Which may I believe lead to him becomin a verordinary player, or (and my feeling) is we catch and ban him if indeed we can find some evidence as we don't want his kind on the servers.

Dr Sadako · October 03, 2003, 11:25:50 AM

One way to not alert him is to join the server with a different name and then spectate. This could maybe make him less careful.

What bothers me is his sudden stops and standing still in the beginning of rounds and sometimes in middle of rounds where he does nothing. I have seen demos of OGC and when you access the menus you have to stand still. This could mean he is in the menus turning on/off stuff. If it was possible to demo his client the menu usage also will be recorded .... but afaik he is the only one that can do that. HLTV doesn't record it I think?

I am with OB on this. Let's try and spot him dead on and not ban just because he is dodgy. If it was down to that others would fall into the same category including members of dMw from time to time.

JonnyAppleSeed · October 03, 2003, 06:43:18 PM

ahhh yes stopping in game/ pause a couple of times he did this and squirted of a round also (for no reason) :unsure:

Thats what made me try to demo him in the first place :huh: