RGW Recruitment Needs

[TeaLeaf]

I'd have a chat amongst yourselves first to figure out how you would prefer it to work, then speak to Odd to find out about attendance, otherwise any talk with Sharp is speculative.  

Pala I'd avoid simply due to it over-crowding the Priest/Pala/Warlock tier token and adding yet another plate-wearer to the current Mario/Odd/Sharp mix.   A monk is leather, so is less of an impact to both armor type and tier token.  Likewise, an ele shaman has the same benefits.

Everyone has worked real hard to remove the class/token balance problem RGW had in Firelands, so I'd really hate to see us backslide in this area.

[Mariotet]

Me and Switch talked a little after the raid last night and yes he wanted a monk aswell as prio and a pala was second but not by much.
Because we looked for the buff what they give to the raid

[TeaLeaf]

Which buff?   With the new buff design paladins are far less important than they were for buff provision.   For example, these are the paladin buffs/debuffs and who else covers them:

Stats: also by Druid, Hunter (BM with Shale Spider pet) or Monk
Mastery: also by Shaman (passive), Hunter pet (cat) or Hunter (BM) Spirit Beast

Physical Vulnerability: also by DK (Frost/UH), Hunter (Boar, Ravager & BM options), Rogue, Warrior (Arms/Fury)
Weakened Blows: DK (Blood), Druid (feral/guardian), Hunter (Bear, Carrion), Monk (Brew), Rogue, Shaman, Warrior

I'd recommend the Raid Checklist addon for this purpose if you have not already got it.

[Mariotet]

Ty for that info i missed that and tyvm for the raid checklist im getting it

[Switchback]

Im going to be late for raid tonight, when i am back i will speak to Odd. I think he had a blip due to being ill. He missed 3 nights i believe.

Sharp....Yes we took him initially as dps, yet at the start of raiding MoP he was geared for both tank and dps. Mario at this time had alot of work on for a couple of night so sharp stepping in was ideal. Then we had the issue with odd being ill and didnt raid for 3 nights so again sharp was there. He has geared his tanking stuff 1st and has worked on his dps gear.
As you say i think we are going to have to grab odd and sharp to discuss about this. Which kinda links me to my next paragraph....

Currently with sharp as tank and garyuu being ill we have 1 melee grim. As we know hes had a hard time with health/family and work. Also as posted he will be here 1 week and then not the next. So effectivly we have a spot open for a melee. Ive read your posts TL and i'll admit i didnt do my research into the buffs as Mario had mentioned. So ideally we would like a monk. It offers a varience for the team will be using leather, i know thats shared with grim but we have 3 cloth dps so deal with it
Odd asked me a few weeks ago if he could drop the dk and raid with his monk (dps/tonk). At the time i said no due to the fact tanks weren't stable at that time and we dont like swapping chars around....If one does it why cant I? is the question that would probably fire up from other  raid members and it would cock up tier tokens etc etc.
Could this be viable though?. It would solve the 3 tank issue, sort out the melee camp and its an existing raid member? He could be mainspec dps and then os tank so we have a spare tonk if needed.....Only a thought....

Ranged....Im currently making notes on the range camp and after this weeks raiding im going to make a post about how we have started who has improved etc.
2 people are already and as normal are letting us down. Sithy and Hermi.
Sithy's attendence is too low and hes been told. Also you have been helping him TL and cynba was when he was about yet he's still not doing what his char is capable of... Couple reasons for this....well we all know hes not the greatest player, movement is poor and then that upsets his rotation. Also i think hes just not interested that much anymore. When he does turn up, he normally /w me and says in raid chat..."let somebody else go instead of me". Its not a great attitude.
Hermi. Meh we all know what she does and is doing the same. Dps is all over the shot,activity lvls are low moans about gear being low. A new 1 for me aswell the other night..." my add didnt go down as i couldnt get range on it in time " ***!!! your a mage...blink and burn. I spoke with her and swede about 2weeks ago to talk with midd. She hasnt. Swede has and it shows. Hes constantly pestering midd on ts and midd being the gent he is has spent alot of time with him. His dps does faulter from time to time yet i believe this is due to lack of crit which Midd told him about. The difference between hermi and swede is, swede actually acts on the advice given.

As i said earlier in this post, im going to write up a report next tuesday showing the range dps over the last month. I will then also PM hermi and sithy to tell them they have 2 weeks to show a BIG imp in all aspects of their playing or they will be replaced.

Pendice....I spoke with Pen last week asking her if she would like to take charge of the healing camp. She would like to but is also abit hesitant for some reasons which she wouldnt state. Im going to speak to her tonight. Would we give her access to this part of the forum or?....

[Mariotet]

For me personaly sure i would like to be in every raid and then its nice to be able to switch if anyone is sick or cant join and then wont feel bad if the raid falls short because of that.
Yes like Switch said we had problem with tanks (me and Odd) and the beginning and we said to Sharp to prio tankgear.
For Odd changing to monk that would help alot with melee and have tank as offspecc and then we dont get to many in the group.
Then depends on Sith we dont have to look for any in that tier but if Hermi aswell doesnt fix it then we "loose" 2 in that tier

[Grimnar]

Remember, i can be an offtank aswell, as already shown I don't really need a second gear set (in the end it will save money) but i only have to do reforging to be tank ready.

But yeah, at the moment my attendence aint really helpfull for the group, next week i should be raiding again, as no family stuff or work should take me away, after that it is looking how things are working out at work.

[Mariotet]

We are dropping Garyuu from the group and we should fill the group.
Im thinking of having a melee monk and have healing offspec or get a ele or enh shammy
We dont really need the melee but not bad to have 1.
I was thinking of tier group and we dont have many in that gear type.

[TeaLeaf]

Current raid group looks like this then:

Tanks:
Mariotet - warrior
Oddbal - DK

Healers:
Missriggy - resto druid
Amberleigh - disc priest
Pendice - resto shaman
Clare - priest
FREE SPOT

Melee DPS:
FREE SPOT
Grimnar - feral cat
Sharpfang - arms warrior

Ranged DPS:
Sithy - hunter
Switchbak - shadow priest
Hermi - mage
Yaril - warlock
Swedeguy - mage
Cynba - hunter

Tier Token Groups:
4 - Priest/Pala/Warlock
5 - DK/Rogue/Druid/Mage
5 - Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk

I think you also need to think about what Grimnar said.   He's pretty much unavailable and perhaps it is best for him to comment here himself about how he feels.
Attendance is here:
http://rgw.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp

Tanks
In my own head there is still some confusion as to tank roles and I think you need to define and clarify the roles you have first.   There has been confusion as to what role Sharp has in the raid.  Is he melee dps or tank - and there's no way he should be tanking if a main spec tank is on the bench.   If you use the 'lack of experience/gear' argument it digs you a hole for the future which is increasingly difficult to get out of.   If Sharp is melee dps then keep him as that and only use him as a tank when there is no other tank online.   If Sharp is a tank, then swap Odd to melee dps.  

Recruitment
I think you actually have 2 free spots, not 1.   Given that Pals will go and from your remaining 14 people, 3 of them are dubious, you're really only left with 11 to run the raid which is insufficient (the 3 being Grimnar, Hermi & Sithy - 1 for personal reasons, the latter 2 for performance-based reasons).

It would seem sensible to add to the DK/Rogue/Druid/Mage and Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk tokens.    From this, there is certainly 1 melee spot open which would mean Monk or Rogue depending on what is available.

So long as you continue to be happy with healer attendance, the other spot would then be in ranged so that you begin to have some performance management options.   Currently, even though you know you have 2 problem members, there is little opportunity to swap them out.  Given your current class balance it would seem either a boomkin or an ele shaman would be a suitable addition.  

I'll leave you to think about the second spot, but if you don't have people in the queue to replace the problem performers then you'll struggle to do much performance management.


If you can post here specifically what we should open recruitment for then we'll edit this forum and wowprogress.   I'll try to copy my recruitment shout into here too so that you can spam it (not too) frequently in Trade channel when you're online.

[Switchback]

Tanks - Im quite happy with having 3 tanks but as you say we will have 1 sat out all the time. Sharp has been slowly gearing his dps gear as at the start but focussed more on tank gear due to the absence from mario and odd. Me personally would rather sharp as tank. He's alot better than Odd in my oppinion in nearly every aspect.
Will have a chat with odd tonight to see how he feels about going dps...if he is suitably geared and wants too then he can swap. If not then we are going to have to speak to sharp to let him know that he will be dps as origionly stated when the grp was planned and formed.

Heals - As we are is fine imo.

So melee yes we could do with another. Either of them monk/rogue would be fine. Depending what we get for melee we can then go for either b00m or shammy for ranged depending on the tokens

[Grimnar]

I would say also find a replacement for my spot.  As i am almost gone for 3 months, comming online from time to time when i have the time.
Even after the comming 3 months there is a change that it will be extended.

But in the meantime i assume the group will progress and when i have the time again i will be far behind etc.

So for the group it is also better to have a replacement for my spot. raiding is fun but at the moment i sort of stand progression in the way.

[TeaLeaf]

Ok thanks Ice.   I'll open up Recruitment on the sites and let's see what we get.

Out of interest, RGT's advertising got nowt recently, but when we asked existing RGT members if they knew anyone we had a response from Midd which might result in a good holy pala joining us.  The moral of the story being, to ask existing RGW raiders to see if they know anyone good who wants to raid (and fits the class requirements!).

[TeaLeaf]

This website updated, wowprogress updated.

[Mariotet]

I do here a little post because for now it looks like we do need to do a big recruitment.

We have lost from RGW:
Switch - shadow priest
Riggy - resto druid
Sleia - balance druid
Odds - melee monk

and Pendice i havnt get an answer back yet.

We have at least 1 that can join us.
Silkylife - shadow priest

and then i have had a word with Jaylen thats a balance druid but she doesnt like that one and if she gets to raiding she would like to have Zteal thats a DK or a lock and she wants to join with her resto shammy but shes only lvl 85 or 86 on that and she said shes going to lvl fast and all of that.


If we get silky in as shadow we still need more people in.

My wishlist is and it can be changed because of what we get in and im thinking of tier items aswell.

Van: DK, Druid, Mage and Rogue.
We have 2 mages (Swede and Hermi) and thats it.
We can get in a resto druid, balance druid or even a DK to be able to be third tank after that odds having a break.

Con: Paladin, Warlock and Priest.
We have to healing priests (Amberleigh and Clare) then we have Yaril as lock.
We might get in Silky for shadow priest so here i would like to see a holy pally and maybe have it as third/forth tank or even go melee dps.

Prot: Warrior, Monk, Shaman and Hunter.
We have 2 tanks with Warriors (Mariotet and Sharpfang) and 2 hunters (Tanales and Sithunter). Then we dont know about Pendice and Odds is having a break.
So i say here we can go for healing monk.
Resto or a elemental shammy

so to sum it all up we have a broad base to get it all covered.
we should get at least 1 more melee because of odds leaving

[TeaLeaf]

Aye I have opened up the recruitment post on this website and also on wowprogress.   We'll keep doing the shouts in game channels too.

Don't panic, we'll get this sorted asap.   Change is a good opportunity for improvement, so look at it with a positive spin!!


Re the gaps:
Agreed that it helps to look at this from a top down perspective, we'll need to see which apps we get in and how best to fill the spots.

RGT currently have 12 and are recruiting 2 more, so a total of 14 to run the raid.    I'd recommend you get at least 14 given to allow for attendance issues and performance management.  Let's say 14-15 for the group, which should ensure a good queue.   In a perfect world, that allows up to 5 of each token.

Van: DK, Druid, Mage and Rogue (2: currently 2 mages)
Con: Paladin, Warlock and Priest (3: currently 1 warlock, 2 priest)
Prot: Warrior, Monk, Shaman and Hunter (5: currently 2 warrior, 1 shaman, 2 hunters)

Total 10 people with 4-5 recruitment spots open

From this breakdown it would be less than ideal to add more (e.g. a mistweaver monk) to the token group that is trying to gear your main tanks and some of your best dps - so I'd recommend filling the gaps from the Van & Con tokens, not from the Protector group.  

If Pendice steps down then yes a shaman spot opens up, but let's pursue this on the basis that she remains as the token group is otherwise solid.

Adding Silky to fill the shadow priest & backup healer role immediately would be good.  It also provides emotional support to RGW as they will see a new member joining.  

That would bring tokens to: 2 Van, 4 Con, 5 Prot

So, focusing on Van & Con token classes and ruling out those for whom you already have enough:
DK, Druid, Mage, Rogue, Paladin, Warlock and Priest

This leaves 3-4 spots to be filled from the Van & Con groups (DK, Druid, Rogue, Paladin, Warlock) to provide:
1 -a melee dps with a backup tank role
2 -a ranged dps
3 -a healer
(4 -possible 15th player, dps)

Assuming 3 remaining spots open (made up of 1 Con, 2 Van tokens):
The off-tank role could only be filled by a DK, druid or pala
Healer role could only be filled by a Pala or Druid
Ranged DPS role could only be filled by Druid or Warlock

Imo that's your recruitment list really.  Which classes fill which gaps depends on who applies but those you accept tend to dictate what you need to take from for the remaining spots if you want to retain some semblance of balance within the group.  

If you needed the performance management options and a bigger queue then you'd need to take a 15th member and this probably fits best with a 2nd melee dps, but still within overall 5-5-5 token balance.

Jaylen:
Resto shammy could be an option (RGT used to run 2 and they work well) but you're full on that token.   If Pen is dropping then you can get Jaylen in immediately now on the druid as a temporary measure and then say the shaman needs to be ready by 5.2.  
Warlock is an option but you have Yaril and it would fill close out the Con token group and mean the remaining places can only be filled by the Vang token.
DK could work too, but only if the off-tank ability is solid too.