HEROIC - Beth'tilac - DEFEATED 22/11/11

[TeaLeaf]

One of the harder ones!

[TeaLeaf]

RGT will be doing this after Alys & Baleroc, so start prepping for it please!

[TeaLeaf]

2 tanks
3 healers
1 melee
4 ranged

Little Spiderlings to be killed by hunter - then hunter proximity kills the Broodling leaving the patch of fire somewhere convenient
-healers note 50k AOE damage on hunter when Broodling explodes

Spinners now have a stun which can be cast if the are left up in the air
-prio to taunt down so stun not cast
-note: may bug if taunted before they are fully 'lowered' on their thread

Drones have a new ability - Fixate which focuses on a target and humps them
-fixated player takes 75% less damage from the Drone
-must watch for Spiderling hunter becoming fixated and kite Drone away from Spiderlings whilst fixated

Send 2 dps up for first phase, 1 thereafter

At transition (smouldering devastation) the dps immediate prio is to finish Spiderlings - ignore other adds until Spiderlings are down)

Strict raid walls must be used.


My concern on this fight is the HP at which we start P2.  We have to aim to have Beth down a LOT lower than we usually do, 85% won't cut it and certainly we can't have the 100% that we killed Beth from at the start of P2 the week before last!

[TeaLeaf]

Well, it seemed so far away, but this is the LAST heroic challenge left before we encounter Heroic Ragnaros.   Let's see if we're up for killing Beth fast so that we can start playing hardball with the Firelord himself

[hubbah]

Ill watch some movies tonight ( to mutch work to do so at work atm.. ).
Maybe a stupid question.. but do we have an optimal setup for teusday? Are we gonna have 2 people ( me and grimR ) on the small ones again rotating traps?
Really looking forward to this one.. and looking forward to the firelord as well.. but seeing noone killed it yet.. must say alot hahaha

[TeaLeaf]

My initial thoughts are to just have one person doing the little adds - and the new add.  It's more pressure on the person assigned to it (likely to be a hunter) but also allows us the flexibility to handle the rest of the fight, particularly in P1 where we are hoping to send 2 dps up instead of just the usual 1.

1 ranged dps (likely hunter) on little adds & new add - keep clear and proximity explode the new add to drop patches outside middle area  
All taunting down Spinners asap to avoid stun(=wipe) being cast
Tank + 1 healer upstairs + 1 melee dps + 1 other dps(first cycle only)
Tank + 2 healers + 2(3 from second cycle onwards) ranged dps downstairs
Hero at c.50%
Strict raidwall rotation towards end


In my own mind Baleroc was the gear check for this fight, so the fact that we've done Baleroc means we can meet the DPS requirements for Beth'tilac too.

[hubbah]

would it help respeccing to survival for more aoe dmg / slows for the adds?

[TeaLeaf]

Probably yes.  It will be a pretty much solo job I'm afraid to allow us more dps on the other things.

[hubbah]

ill do some reading up, later on and get back to you

[hubbah]

The hunter that takes care of the adds should be able to do so in MarksMan but needs a few AOE tallents to slow the adds.
I dont mind who ( me or grim ) will take care of that part but we will have to make a second spec for it

Im looking forward till tonight! lets get it down and start working on raggy

[Slush]

Rly looking forward to this fight. This is fight is made for us. :-D

[Noréia]

good luck guys, one melee dps only, guess that surely will not be me, so I'll be fine to warm the bench! pressing thumbs though!

[Grimnar]

Well for the melee there is just not much to say really.

It is the same as on normal....
Only at the start a little taunt change but for the rest it is the same.


First few tries we had Jesung and myself as dps going up, dps wise i think that worked to get the boss hp down enough.

At some point he had to go fully downstairs to get that in order, that ment i was on my own dps wise. Only 1 try i think i could see if i was on track for an "k" result for doing it on my own.
It felt like that i would end up near 80% but can't really say as the other tries there happend always something that delayed my dps time.

If it wasn't the big walk to get on top, or when i got on top that i had to walk around some meteors first to reach the boss etc.



That is my story.

[TeaLeaf]

Logs are up.  

We struggled with only 3 dps downstairs for the first cycle.  No idea why, most guilds send 2 dps up for the first cycle and manage it ok.
Moving 4 dps down worked well and it stabilised a lot.  
Stacking the sludge in a line (tight grouping to give predictable pathing) was key.
Need to manage fixation better and know when to run to tank.
Otherwise I think we need more work to up the dps as we're not going to get it done if we have to push boss from 80% to 0% in P2.

[Twyst]

For the tank downstairs...

DK DeathGrip works here.
If you're doing 3 (1, then 2) it's critical you save your grip for the 2nd one. This means that the 3rd spinner is only hanging for about 2-3 seconds maximum which is hopefully enough time not to stun the raid.
Focus macros didn't work for me as there are many spinners - click and taunt/grip seems to work best. However, i did accidentally taunt the wrong target as the targeting recticle isn't clear if the target is high on the edge of the monitor, so ensure you turn to ensure he really is targeted.

When the ground DPS was awesome, the drone died at the same time as the spinners dropped which I needed to taunt.
Perfect. Provided the DPS don't go mental on the new drone coming, I don't need to taunt it right away just hit it.

When the ground DPS wasn't quite so awesome I have to kite the drones through the raid to reach my spinners to taunt which means the raid either has to move or heal through the spitting. Also, there's a large chance that it's also towards an advancing pack of spiderlings which is probably worse.