Madness of Deathwing - DEFEATED 18/12/11

[hubbah]

Nevermind my last post.

This is Hals damage taken from Elementium Terror this week:
  http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-usx4vs5p7s0wrckk/log/?s=9106&e=9888

This is Hals damage taken from Elementium Terror last week (kill).. Keep in mind that SKULL is the first terror, you can see when debuff falls of Hal:
  http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-k1dllrm665mlz1vc/log/?s=10180&e=10920

Any thoughts on these numbers?

This week Halbarad:

Actor Amount
Mutated Corruption 1824750 31.6 %
Wing Tentacle 1098886 19.0 %
Elementium Terror 753993 13.1 %
Arm Tentacle 610629 10.6 %
Arm Tentacle 508834 8.8 %
Regenerative Blood 322337 5.6 %
Blistering Tentacle 267815 4.6 %
Elementium Bolt 125745 2.2 %
Deathwing 104040 1.8 %
Elementium Fragment 80796 1.4 %
Spirit Link Totem 78065 1.4 %

last week Halbarad:

Actor Amount
Mutated Corruption 1999423 31.4 %
Wing Tentacle 1000220 15.7 %
Deathwing 727974 11.4 %
Regenerative Blood 675883 10.6 %
Arm Tentacle 577049 9.1 %
Arm Tentacle 411358 6.5 %
Elementium Terror 350021 5.5 %
Blistering Tentacle 285499 4.5 %
Elementium Fragment 154941 2.4 %
Elementium Bolt 127629 2.0 %
Spirit Link Totem 59578 0.9 %

This week Whitey:

Actor Amount
Mutated Corruption 2207969 35.7 %
Wing Tentacle 932970 15.1 %
Elementium Terror 890109 14.4 %
Deathwing 706113 11.4 %
Arm Tentacle 447176 7.2 %
Arm Tentacle 440998 7.1 %
Blistering Tentacle 237183 3.8 %
Elementium Bolt 112727 1.8 %
Regenerative Blood 87889 1.4 %
Elementium Fragment 79036 1.3 %
Spirit Link Totem 33291 0.5 %
Spirit Link Totem 17718 0.3 %

Last week whitey:

Actor Amount
Mutated Corruption 2846368 39.2 %
Elementium Terror 1477907 20.3 %
Wing Tentacle 1000739 13.8 %
Deathwing 755946 10.4 %
Arm Tentacle 493172 6.8 %
Arm Tentacle 338247 4.7 %
Blistering Tentacle 231625 3.2 %
Elementium Bolt 59430 0.8 %
Spirit Link Totem 41721 0.6 %
Regenerative Blood 21747 0.3 %

Total this week: 753993 + 890109 = 1644102
Total last week: 350021 + 1477907 = 1827928

The kill last week was faster by 45 seconds.

[hubbah]

Any thoughts on these numbers? Its seems to me like the numbers Hal was getting on last nights try was... WAY to high to heal through.
And 5 stacks? In pretty much the same amount of time? Was the Elementium Terror staying up for 1 second too long? Was Hal hit from behind (no block)? Was he using any CD's on that kill that he didnt use yesterday? Look at the timers here.. 12:20 last week. 13:01 this week. Are we falling behind on dps?

Lets see, last week we did not lose anyone and we could just nuke the crap out of the boss.
This week we lost Torgen and a tank ( twice ).
The reason we took longer is because we lost torgen when still on the adds! so the last nuking phase we were missing the top dps!
This has NOTHING to do with the DPS and its getting abit anoying that you keep trowing it at that. ( i even popped cooldowns on the adds instead at on the boss )

And PLEASE check whitey's logs as well and not just Hal, like i copyed above. last week whitey was the one getting the beating.

[Slush]

[22:46:04.062] Hubbah's Serpent Sting fades from Elementium Fragment = Hubbah stopped dps on Fragments (they died)


Terrors spawn:
[22:46:04.489] Halbarad afflicted by Tetanus from Elementium Terror
[22:46:04.489] Elementium Terror Tetanus Halbarad 12284 (R: 5850)

Hal pulls Elementium Terror:
[22:46:05.015] Halbarad hits Elementium Terror 6144

Torgen starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:07.687] Torgen casts Rend on Elementium Terror

TL starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:07.775] Teaell casts Shadow Word: Pain on Elementium Terror

Hubbah starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:09.018] Hubbah casts Serpent Sting on  Elementium Terror

Leggs starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:09.217] Leggs crits Elementium Terror *13391*

Incéndia starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:11.516] Incéndia casts Living Bomb on  Elementium Terror

Hal is at 2 stacks when the dps starts on Terrors? Please correct me if Im wrong, but should dps start sooner?


And for the record:

Last weeks kill:
[21:55:31.015] Whytee afflicted by Tetanus from Elementium Terror
[21:55:32.291] Hubbah casts Serpent Sting on Elementium Terror

[Slush]

And PLEASE check whitey's logs as well and not just Hal, like i copyed above. last week whitey was the one getting the beating.

Why was Whytee gettting the stacks and the hits last week? Tanks did not mention that they would do anything different that would cause this.
I might be missing a mechanic here

[hubbah]

[22:46:04.062] Hubbah's Serpent Sting fades from Elementium Fragment = Hubbah stopped dps on Fragments (they died)


Terrors spawn:
[22:46:04.489] Halbarad afflicted by Tetanus from Elementium Terror
[22:46:04.489] Elementium Terror Tetanus Halbarad 12284 (R: 5850)

Hal pulls Elementium Terror:
[22:46:05.015] Halbarad hits Elementium Terror 6144

Torgen starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:07.687] Torgen casts Rend on Elementium Terror

TL starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:07.775] Teaell casts Shadow Word: Pain on Elementium Terror

Hubbah starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:09.018] Hubbah casts Serpent Sting on  Elementium Terror

Leggs starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:09.217] Leggs crits Elementium Terror *13391*

Incéndia starts dps on Elementium Terror:
[22:46:11.516] Incéndia casts Living Bomb on  Elementium Terror

Hal is at 2 stacks when the dps starts on Terrors? Please correct me if Im wrong, but should dps start sooner?

Check the other Terror? And as soon as the skull is on the dps is on the terror just like all other weeks.

[hubbah]

Why was Whytee gettting the stacks and the hits last week?

No idea, im not a tank and i dont set the skull.
Im just a mindless zombie hitting the skull .

Thats a question i can not answer, but as you can see the dmg taken last week was ALOT higher then this week and then we survived?

[Slush]

Check the other Terror? And as soon as the skull is on the dps is on the terror just like all other weeks.

Thats for both terrors.

[hubbah]

Thats for both terrors.

And checked last week?

[Slush]

And checked last week?

Last weeks kill:
[21:55:31.015] Whytee afflicted by Tetanus from Elementium Terror
[21:55:32.291] Hubbah casts Serpent Sting on Elementium Terror

[hubbah]

Last weeks kill:
[21:55:31.015] Whytee afflicted by Tetanus from Elementium Terror
[21:55:32.291] Hubbah casts Serpent Sting on Elementium Terror

So we were 3 seconds slower, im a 100% sure thats not the reason for the wipes.
You are staring at the wrong thing.

Im gonna call it quits here, you can find all the data underneath, ill speak to you on thursday!

[Azunai]

Isn't the debuff applied through hits (each hit = stack)? So if tanks just happened to avoid a few hits last week where they got hit this week...
Seems to me that within the timeframes we're looking at it's hard to make changes as they're so small. I'm no healer but since the damage is so high and 100% expected, isn't this the point where you just chain your biggest heals on the tank?

[Slush]

So we were 3 seconds slower, im a 100% sure thats not the reason for the wipes.
You are staring at the wrong thing.

Thats 3 seconds more time for Terrors to hit the tanks, thats 3 more seconds of intense healing. Thats probably two more stacks than necessary. No, Im not staring at the wrong thing. Im looking through logs. Also healing logs to find out why this is happening. We didnt have Jas and his insane hots yesterday. Maybe we need to adapt to that aswell? There are numerous of issues, but starting the dps 3 seconds later on the most hardest hitting mob in the game (this far) is not good enough in my eyes... And my eyes are looking at the sillyness of my HW instead of GHW aswell.
Im not blaming anyone, Im trying to find answers.

If you didnt get frustrated over TS yesterday and made your post, this wouldnt have been brought up.

I am 100% sure the late start on dps on Terrors is a _PART_ of the wipes.

[Azunai]

I guess to remedy that we could start hitting things regardless of skull or not. Once a skull is up we then switch (or stay on target).

[Niel]

Rather than start dps then switch to skull once it appears if you are on the wrong one.........why not always choose one tanks target to burn as the first to go - say Whytee's - and then it is always the right mob rather than wait for a mark.

The plan for me at that point is to pump my heals into the tanks alternately ( or as required if one tank is taking more of a beating ) whilst the other 2 healers are pumping what they can into their own tanks.......so it works out at 1.5 healer per tank.

I have no great insight into what happened last night........but one thing that did stand out was that we had no res capability - so maybe we have to be sure to take at least one char capable of combat res.

[Azunai]

Rather than start dps then switch to skull once it appears if you are on the wrong one.........why not always choose one tanks target to burn as the first to go - say Whytee's - and then it is always the right mob rather than wait for a mark.

I think I suggested this when we were still wiping on this, but it was refuted for some reason. I can't recall what though ^^