HEROIC Warlord Zon'ozz - DEFEATED 19/02/12

Started by TeaLeaf, December 19, 2011, 11:41:12 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Sithvid

Only 2 things are unavoidable
Death and Taxes.

Dead Men Raiding :boxing:
Hunter MOP Main
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aszune/Sithunter/simple
Druid BOOOOMKIN
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aszune/sithysithvid/simple

TeaLeaf

RGW had some issues with this last night, damage taken was massive and healers were doing 20k hps and ending up oom.   I was looking at the logs this morning and trying to understand why.   Anecdotally it seemed to me we had a couple of issues:

1 - DPS was too low
RGW had rdps of about 170k on the try.  On average across all the tries there were 36k, 32k, 27k, 20k, 19k, 16k, 15k dps.    This is way too low for a fight where everyone should be aiming to be 25k+.    Yes we have people gearing and we had offspecs running as dps, but the majority of our dps was too low!  

Low DPS means we spend longer taking damage in the nasty phases, which means healers have to heal more, which potentially means they go oom.

2 - Damage Taken was too high
There were a number of reasons for this.

Resistance
No shadow protection buff means less resisted damage so this does not help, but RGW has done the kill before with these same levels of resistance.

Dispelling
Total Disrupting Shadow damage taken is very high.   Healers must dispell faster, which means people must see their own debuff and move faster.  If you stand in the middle of the raid it's difficult for healers to dispell you and means you end up still being on low health when the orb hits and we share soaking damage!   People need to react faster so that we can dispell faster.

Orb Soaking
Poor handling of Disrupting Shadow means that people are slower getting back into the group to soak the orb, or are still on very low HP when coming back into the group.  This means healers have to use way too many big, mana-expensive heals.   My GHW count was way up as I spent most of the fight seemingly emergency-healing people back up to a survivable level of health.   If we handle Disrupting Shadows faster, then we can dispell faster, which means we can get back into the group faster to share the soaking damage more, which means that there is less emergency healing going on and the normal 'Healing Rain' or AOE type of heals do more of the group healing for us and healers then don't go oom.

AOE damage taken
See the DPS comments.   Take too long on the adds and it really hurts!  That's significant extra healing and also means events that need healing start to overlap and crisis events start to occur.

Track how long it takes by looking at this log page:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ay4820vkycjymyj3/analyze/dt/spell/?s=1516&e=1764

Select Black Blood and you'll see the AOE damage and how long it is there for, and when it reduces.   Each add killed means a 'step' down on the graph as the AOE damage reduces.  Ideally you want to see a sharp & quick drop off in the damage taken.  Horizontal areas followed by a big step down means adds are being killed too slowly.

Basically we just need to tighten up on what we do.  A small improvement in every person in every area leads to cumulative LARGE improvements and a nice steady kill.

Finally, it's probably best to stick to 7-5-5-5 for the moment until things improve!
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)


Slush

Quote from: Riggy;356260http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQY4dIxY1H4

So, I opened the video... then I looked at what time it was when Riggy posted this... then I moved on. :devil:

Riggy

omg.......... that's where it went!!!!! 3.44 am is not a good time to be linking stuff, there is a story to accompany but I think it's just better all deleted and I will follow you moving swiftly on with my head in my hands :P
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

hermioneg

#65
deleted an put in righr place