CS_RIO

Dr Sadako · December 08, 2003, 10:08:56 PM

Lately I have seen Ts running almost up to CT spawn directly after round start. It is not allowed and there are NO excuses. The only reason to be on your way to CT spawn is for easy kills. Some of these areas might be valid further into a round but NEVER directly after spawn.

You are right there are no boundaries BUT there is still the objective, which is more important than getting a easy kill.

End of Rant

Dr Sadako · December 08, 2003, 11:32:53 PM

Well, on this map the hostages are in the house at round start ... not in CT spawn. If they don't get that right then they have more trouble than just not 'having a disciplined approach'.

As for 'watered down', the rules are something for the entire community to uphold not only the admins.

My five,

Anonymous · December 08, 2003, 11:44:19 PM

:withstupid:

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!

DarkAngel · December 09, 2003, 12:35:25 AM

Ive seen it happen so many times now mainly by the new guys we need to make sure the understand the tactical way and not the no team frag monkey style.

DuVeL · December 09, 2003, 06:20:48 AM

I'm totally with you. Last time I was using a scout near our spawn and suddenly a T was right in front of me, I was like: How...................... dead. The answer was: there are no boundaries. But there still is the objective!!!

TeaLeaf · December 09, 2003, 07:35:44 AM

There are still boundaries. We just don't draw a definitive 'line in the sand' any more. We trust members fo the community to work out for themselves where the limits are based on the principle of (1) working with your team and (2) completing your objective. The behaviour described above fulfills neither of these criteria.

Will all members please encourage other less experienced TCS players to adhere to the limits. They may not be drawn on the map, but they still exist.

TL.

ChimpBoy · December 09, 2003, 01:19:05 PM

I have been disappointed tbh with the new tcs style, and this has resulted in me playing less these days (often in favour of other "pure" deathmatch where the grey areas aren't there).

I see the logic in removing boundaries, but I don't feel that it adds anything to gameplay. All it makes me want to say is "ooh can I go any further here or will people think I'm scalping?"

So many times I've seen people (and not just peeps news to TCS) going on a "wander" round the map that it annoys the living sh1t out of me. One mans "investigating" is another mans deathmatching. The other night I saw on office one CT left and a group of 4/5 Ts moving round the map in an attempt to exterminate him. This to me is totally wrong - yes you have numbers advantage but that doesn't mean you should leave your objective. But hey, you can see the argument that the Ts will come back with so who's right? Admins should not, imo, have to be constantly adjudicating whether peeps are breaking the ambiguous rules.

Don't blame the new people out there - it certainly isn't confined to them.

I see what the admins are trying to do - remove the rules and let the spirit of the game take over. Sadly I don't think the discipline is there. Don't shoot me down in flames over this (as some will want to do) as I know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

smilodon · December 09, 2003, 01:30:39 PM

I agree with you in principle. However I wouldn't want to go back to boundaries unless it was a last resort. Strong policing of the servers will hopefully have the same effect over time.

Dr Sadako · December 09, 2003, 02:36:27 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Dec 9 2003, 02:19 PM
I have been disappointed tbh with the new tcs style, and this has resulted in me playing less these days (often in favour of other "pure" deathmatch where the grey areas aren't there).

I see the logic in removing boundaries, but I don't feel that it adds anything to gameplay. All it makes me want to say is "ooh can I go any further here or will people think I'm scalping?"

So many times I've seen people (and not just peeps news to TCS) going on a "wander" round the map that it annoys the living sh1t out of me. One mans "investigating" is another mans deathmatching. The other night I saw on office one CT left and a group of 4/5 Ts moving round the map in an attempt to exterminate him. This to me is totally wrong - yes you have numbers advantage but that doesn't mean you should leave your objective. But hey, you can see the argument that the Ts will come back with so who's right? Admins should not, imo, have to be constantly adjudicating whether peeps are breaking the ambiguous rules.

Don't blame the new people out there - it certainly isn't confined to them.

I see what the admins are trying to do - remove the rules and let the spirit of the game take over. Sadly I don't think the discipline is there. Don't shoot me down in flames over this (as some will want to do) as I know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

I see your concern but I must say that 90-95% of the time the games are very good and the players are disciplined enough. I also agree with you that is not only the new guys that break the rules and forget what it is all about. As I wrote above it is something for all the members to uphold not only the admins. If you think someone is not playing in accordance to the TCS ethos then send a message to the admins and we will deal with it. I don't think it is good that you stop playing. You should be playing more instead and be a guiding star for old and new players to follow! Set a good example by helping out in 'way of play'.

One of the reasons for 'dropping' the boundaries were that we didn't get new members to the community, which was a huge concern of the admins. Now we have more than 40 new members the last month. We know for a fact that all the rules/boundaries of the old PCS scared away a lot of potential community members and that trend had to be broken.

0ni0n · December 09, 2003, 02:58:34 PM

Quote Now we have more than 40 new members the last month

Do you think taking on so many new members is a good thing though or do you think it will soon have the feel of a public??

I mean how are you going to police the tcs side of things when the old regulars cant even get on the server?

And dont you feel it is going to lose that 'knowing everybody' specialness if there are different players on every day?

A thought would be to limit the monthly amounts of new recruits to so many a month to brake them in, get to know them before the next lot!!

Dr Sadako · December 09, 2003, 03:23:35 PM

As of yet we have not managed to fill 2 servers and we have 3. If needed we have the possibility to open up more. If one server is full people should start a game at the second server. Idle for 5 minutes and soon more ppl will join. Put some effort in for the community

The server is most of the time only active for 1-5 hours a day which is a bit sad. It would be nice if the server(s) went active at 5-6 p.m instead of at 8-9 p.m.

Regarding the other questions I think OB and TL have thought about it and probably has a plan to set into action if required.

I think more ppl playing our way of CS is only a good thing as most public servers are pure and utter shite in comparison to what we have. If the word is spread more TCS servers might pop up and if all goes well we will have world domination in no time ... MUHA HA HA HA HA HAHA

Anonymous · December 09, 2003, 03:36:59 PM

Agreed. The most I have seen on the servers is 20 people over 2 servers. Remember, the admins can monitor even though they cannot join. Most us use HLSW and we can monitor the logs and chat if needed. You can tell a lot about what is happening and we have full RCON from HLSW. If we have noted something and need to be involved then rest assured that we will be.

I frequently monitor the servers if I have an idle moment and have been able to swap maps for people when the current map didn't suit the number of people on the server and carry out various other bits of Admin.

In short, you never know if Big Brother (BB) is watching you

ChimpBoy · December 09, 2003, 04:28:13 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Sadako@Dec 9 2003, 02:36 PM
One of the reasons for 'dropping' the boundaries were that we didn't get new members to the community, which was a huge concern of the admins. Now we have more than 40 new members the last month. We know for a fact that all the rules/boundaries of the old PCS scared away a lot of potential community members and that trend had to be broken.

Agreed - have to admit that a year ago when I signed up I was really put off by the "P" in PCS. It was only the burning desire to play CS with Smilo and Dingo that got me into this mad house

But I for one always loved the boundary element. It gave structure to what should be a strucutred game.

Increasing signup is never a bad thing if managed well (which it is as far as I can see) so the logic of the admins is certainly not at fault. Perhaps the move to TCS was a "burning platform" but the logic was sound, and I for one hope it bears to be the right decision.

I will make more of an effort to get back into this - publics are sh1te and getting me down. Always nice to play with a scandinavian

JB · December 09, 2003, 05:32:20 PM

Oh god there are Scandanavian's here now too? Are they bringing twigs to whip us with? Anyway enough of this i have to get back to my Yorkshire pudding followed by the Bakewell tart, there's lots o' work in them there mines to be done in't morn' and wee bairns a creein it's heed oaf.

DuVeL · December 09, 2003, 05:47:32 PM

Scandanavians? Me runs away on my clogs in to the tulips field that are near the windmills and also near the "coffeeshop" for some weed.