So very tired.....

JonnyAppleSeed · March 26, 2013, 06:40:41 PM

Not at all Pen .. your help is very welcome

JonnyAppleSeed · March 27, 2013, 11:17:14 AM

2 new PM's from Niel this morning... On the good side hes moved away from blaming TL and switched it to being my fault YaY!.... If ya want to see them ill post here as its the same old tired stuff officers are tuncs and you wanted me to go all along.

I just get the feeling he will not stop stirring in some way. Its how he is, I dont think he will be happy unless hes made us kick him. That way everything hes said becomes valid. He knows how to play dMw and knows the buttons to press and how far he can go.

Im rolling with it now but if i get more "your a bunch of ****" type pm's Ill be requesting he gets banned

Hes still on joining TS and its not a good atmosphere. It was mentioned he's not in the guild and should not be in wow TS but that just seems a bit wired and its a whole extra can of worms that i don't want to open yet

Penfold · March 27, 2013, 11:28:09 AM

Well if it comes to it we'll just ban him as a persistent complainer.

He certainly shouldn't be in the TS Channel for Wow and Smilo has told him as such. We've said he free to join any other game stream and TS channel as that's open to all but as he's not in the guild, he can't join the Wow channel. Perhaps Smilo, you can remind him of that.

If he fails to stop or continues banging on about it then we will just have to ban him.

Let us know if you want Smilo to step on the TS thing and we'll leave it to you to come back to us about the PMs as needed.

smilodon · March 27, 2013, 12:30:09 PM

As I'm in new rules mode I could post up some guidelines about TS, I'm not sure we have anything specifically about that. I did Pm Niel explaining that we don't expect people to spend their lives sat in channels for games they don't play with us but that occasional visits aren't an issue.

However up to this point I don't think we've thought of it as an issue at all. If someone pops into a channel for a chat with people even though they don't play that specific game we've not had issues previously. In fact we've encouraged it in some cases in the hope of getting people to join the game in question. I've certainly had several members pop into Minecraft TS channel and ask 'what this Minecraft thing is all about then?' So if Niel come into WOW TS to chat with old friends would we have an issue? I think it's only because there is still a feud going on, as far as he is concerned anyway, that we're wondering if he's in there bad mouthing us and trying to cause more trouble? That may well be the case. I think it's a tough one as we'd have to accuse him of something we don't know he's doing. I'd be inclined to let it run, make sure we all enter whatever channel we want regardless of who is in it and see what happens. Hopefully he'll get bored and wander off. If we find out he's been slagging any of us off them we have grounds to ban him from TS and ultimately the forum and community. Right now I think if we do anything we're back to being 'a bunch of power mad Nazi's that are hounding an innocent player who's done nothing wrong'. Just my thoughts.

I had a PM from Slush saying he was unhappy that I'd deleted his thread but at the same time addmitting that he'd been wrong in a lot of his assumptions for which he apologised. I just referred him back to the PM I sent to him and Niel explaining why it was deleted. He also asked specifically who asked for the original thread to be deleted. Me or Niel. I told him that several people had asked for various posts to be deleted and that I was respecting their privacy by not naming them but that as he already knew Niel was one of the people who asked for deletions. When I'd deleted all the 'offending' posts the thread was so mangled and disjointed that it made no sense at all, so I binned the whole thing and PM's Niel who replied that I'd done the right thing. So I hope that's an end to at least one of Slush's issues.

TeaLeaf · March 27, 2013, 04:43:46 PM

Quote from: smilodon;369303I had a PM from Slush saying he was unhappy that I'd deleted his thread but at the same time addmitting that he'd been wrong in a lot of his assumptions for which he apologised.

I'm must have missed Slush's apology to me, it's not in my Inbox :angry:

Re Puja & TS: the dude has been such a plank that I really do feel that our own feelings should also be accommodated. Given how far he threw his dummy from the pram, I'm not overly inclined to welcome him into the DMR TS channel as by his own choice he is not a member. If he wants to talk to friends, then he's welcome to go and use other community TS channels imo. We've bent over backwards already on this one I think.

If he visits to grab someone out of the channel to go elsewhere then I'd not have a problem, but I do not want us or any other DMR member to feel that they need to tread on eggs if he is in a channel which they are using for guild business. My 2 cents, sorry - you can start calling me a power mad Nazi now

smilodon · March 27, 2013, 05:04:26 PM

Well the TS channels belong to the respective games they support so it's up to game leaders, officers etc. as to how they want to run their TS channels. I'd certainly not want people coming into Arma for a chit chat when we're in the middle of a complicated battle and I'm sure most other games wouldn't either. So whatever rules you all decide on are the rules for DMR. They don't have to be for every game?

We could make sure that as much as possible we're swamping the Wow channels. If he sees a channel with Smilo, TL, Whitey, Jas, Hal etc all in there he might feel less inclined to join or if he does less inclined to kick off.

Penfold · March 27, 2013, 05:31:18 PM

.... or we could just tell him to feck off out of all DMR channels as he's not in the guild.

He said to me in a PM that Smilo did say he could use the TS channels

Quote from: NielHi Pen,

It was something i asked Smilo also yesterday...and he seperately wrote to me about removing the post thread in its entirety. He did say that i was free to use the TS.

TS is not a wow specific resource and is shared across all the activities.

Cheers

Niel

so to be fair (and if that's true) he is doing what he thinks he's allowed to.

I have no problem though if the GL decides it's disruptive and says he can't use that game-specific channel.

smilodon · March 27, 2013, 06:15:25 PM

The exact wording of my reply to Niel re TS usage. Seems clear enough to me and should be to him. :eyebrow:

QuoteSorry I'm a bit tardy in replying but yes TS is for community members to use. So as we discussed please feel free to use it as well as the forums. The only 'gentlemen's agreement' we have is that people normally don't sit in channels for games they don't play. So I would expect the racing guys and girls would get confused if I came and sat on their TS channel. We have general chat channels like the Beer bar etc for people to just come together and chill.
I guess if people leave the community completely then we wouldn't expect to see them on TS, but that's certainly not an issue here.

Hope that's fine but of course Pm me back or catch me on TS if there are any issues.

Cheers

JonnyAppleSeed · March 27, 2013, 06:57:58 PM

As much as i agree with power mad Nazi guy (and i do regarding being over accommodating) .... Its more about the people in guild that enjoy to group and play chat with niel. I think we need to see how it plays out

TeaLeaf · March 27, 2013, 08:00:58 PM

Quote from: smilodon;369313We could make sure that as much as possible we're swamping the Wow channels. If he sees a channel with Smilo, TL, Whitey, Jas, Hal etc all in there he might feel less inclined to join or if he does less inclined to kick off.

This..

Benny · March 27, 2013, 10:37:06 PM

Can you set the channels so admins don't show up?

JonnyAppleSeed · March 28, 2013, 09:41:55 AM

Benny... the point is we want him to see us so hes less inclined to join. Tho i do think he would be more than happy to "lurk" and make everyone feel a bit "ewww this is wired"

Or do you mean to spy you trickster :norty:

Back to topic another PM this morning ... Same content "its not my fault" stuff

Im not going to reply anymore

Penfold · March 28, 2013, 11:32:58 AM

OFFS.

Probably best to stop replying - although personally I'd PM him and explain that this has run its course and nothing new is being said in the PMs so you're going to stop replying to them.

I'd also clarify with him about the TS channel thing (whichever way you're going to swing with that) and say that if he causes dissent then it won't be tolerated.

Smilo/I are happy to talk to him from a forum/dMw side if that is needed.

Just know that we're here to support you JAS and just ask us if there's anything we can do to help.

Benny · March 28, 2013, 09:20:39 PM

Jesus, this is the thread that keeps on giving.

Bye bye Neil.

Anyone else who wants to stay/go then dive in. Neil stop being a twat. If you don't like the way the community is run, close the door on the way out. No hard feelings.

Penfold · March 28, 2013, 09:46:09 PM

Lol Benny I love you.

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