So very tired.....

Michelanio · March 28, 2013, 11:29:05 PM

Just for info, Niel came online on TS tonight about 40 mins after our raid and almost exactly 4 mins after whitey had left when it was only me and Zolena (Ayla) online. Feels almost like he was monitoring TS through the forum and joined as soon as all the "dangerous" officers was gone :/ Didn't do anything since we really haven't decided anything specific yet (I double checked with smilo

) but he suggested that I at least report about it of which I've now done

JonnyAppleSeed · March 29, 2013, 10:10:52 AM

Quoteas soon as all the "dangerous" officers was gone :/

If the officers were dogs its not the ones that bark you need to worry about... Its the quiet one you stroke that walks off with your arm as a new chew toy :devil:

smilodon · March 29, 2013, 02:57:54 PM

Niel is back again in the kitchen, i think a Pm from someone, me, Pen whoever that the WOW forums are for WOW members and his continued presence isn't in keeping with the idea of our TeamSpeak set up i.e. specific channels for players of specific games and some general channels for general chat.

I feel he's beginning to take the mickey now.

TeaLeaf · March 29, 2013, 06:02:49 PM

You might be the best person Smilo as you had the initial contact about the TS.

TeaLeaf · March 29, 2013, 06:42:37 PM

Definitely worth sending a PM, he's in there again now and I don;t want to be the first in there to say 'please leave'. It's a bit of a liberty.

Penfold · March 29, 2013, 07:44:46 PM

Yes please Smilo if you're happy too.
Tanks mate

Sent using Tapatalk. Please excuse any 'thumbs' typos!

smilodon · March 29, 2013, 08:27:32 PM

I'm a little concerned I might not have been 100% clear about TS usage to Niel in my previous PM. Specifically the sentence in bold is a little ambiguous. Our TS conversation wasn't so I'm not sure how unaware of the rules he actually is. However a TS conversation isn't recorded and we rely on memory, so he might not have understood my comments. Giving him the benefit of the doubt I sent the following. It's a bit long winded but I didn't want to come across as abrupt. I'd suggest that as of tomorrow we start enforcing this rule with kicks where appropriate. Flex those mighty TS Admin muscles, peeps.

QuoteNiel,

I'm sending out a quick PM to you regarding your recent usage of the WOW TS channels. I'm sure you'll remember our own TS conversation plus the PM I sent (quote below). So it's a little concerning to notice that you've been in the WOW TS channels today, yesterday and I believe at least Monday and Tuesday. As mentioned TS channels are for people who are playing the specific games within our community. Specifically The WOW channels and the Deadmen racing channels (on a Thursday and Sunday race night) are only for the signed up members of those games.

I think I might not have been very clear about that when I used the term 'The only 'gentlemen's agreement' we have is that people normally don't sit in channels for games they don't play'. With regard to games that require acceptance or membership i.e. WOW and racing and in the past SWTOR, Guild Wars 2 and other MMO's, we mean play with us within our guilds, squads or teams. We don't password them as we hope people will respect the spirit in which the channels are provided. For example I could if I chose enter any of the officer channels for any of the games (being a TS Admin). I wouldn't as I know they are provided for a specific purpose and for specific people. We provide general non game specific channels (Beer Bar)for people to just join and kick back and chat without being specifically tied to any game.

So I'd appreciate if you could leave the WOW TS channels to the WOW guild members. An occasional visit to ask a friend to move to another channel for a chat is certainly not an issue and we're happy for people who are interested in trying a new game to pop into it's channel to speak to existing players about that game. For example we've recently had quite a few people come to the Minecraft channel to ask about the game. Some go on to buy it and join us while others don't. This kind of occasional use is not a problem.

Hope you understand the way we try to run TS. Cheers.

Quote PM
QuoteSorry I'm a bit tardy in replying but yes TS is for community members to use. So as we discussed please feel free to use it as well as the forums. The only 'gentleme's agreement' we have is that people normally don't sit in channels for games they don't play. So I would expect the racing guys and girls would get confused if I came and sat on their TS channel. We have general chat channels like the Beer bar etc for people to just come together and chill.
I guess if people leave the community completely then we wouldn't expect to see them on TS, but that's certainly not an issue here.

smilodon · March 29, 2013, 11:09:16 PM

In response to "This is all a conspiracy and you're all just being petty and vindictive," from Niel and after our long chat this evening I posted

QuoteI've asked for some guidance on this from the Guild Officers. The TS channel is named World of Warcraft - Dead Men Raiding. The Dead Men Raiding is the telling phrase. It's intention was and is to signify that the channel is specifically for the members of the DMR Guild to come and chat, raid, level etc. It is not a general channel for WOW players whether they are in or out of the community. It's assumed that anyone in the wider community who did play WOW with us would at least become a social member.

This is actually no different from any other game we support but I know that you'll decide how to interpret this rule for yourself, which is your choice of course. It's sad but it seems that to much has been said by people that can't be unsaid and that while an ex DMR member who left amicably may be welcomed back into the channel, obviously in this case there's too much bad blood. I'm sure you're under no illusion that there are several people who feel themselves the aggrieved and insulted party as much as you do. The rule has always been and continues to be that if someone leaves the Guild or is kicked from the Guild with bad blood they're not expected to use the TS channels.

I considered dropping in the comment that usually anyone who was thrown out of a game we support by it's Game Leader would automatically be thrown out of the community as well, but thought that might be a little pre-emptive at the moment.

Penfold · March 29, 2013, 11:19:06 PM

Thanks Smilo for your ongoing work on this

Penfold · March 30, 2013, 09:17:26 AM

For those not included on his latest PM:

Quote from: NielHi Smilodon,

Many thanks for the answer to the post lowere down.....both PM's attached- i am still bemused as you could tell earlier......bemused, but not at all surprised.

The "several" people who feel aggrieved ( though how it could be more than two i don't know .....as far as i know i have done nothing to offend Whitey or Hal - though i have heard things said by them that indicates i must have somehow by proxy ) - Only one person of the RGT officer group has spoken to me directly and THAT prompted me to leave the guild however it is dressed.........as for anyone else who feels aggrieved - as posted earlier on the forum, i am more than open to speak to anyone about anything.

So........and i have CC'd the DMR "officers" and Penfold......what am i allowed to do officially on TS ?

As explained earlier - i am a DMW member.....i contribute ....and TS is a DMW resource - the people i play with are in there playing a game that i am playing with them and they are members of DMW/DMR

If someone really really does not wish to speak to me surely they have the option of using one of the many free channels ?

This is a relatively polite answer to a PM and it's to you as you sent the message to me though of course i am lobbing it over you to the real source .......as lets face it - this is just games being played be people unwilling to do their own dirty work.

If you can clarify it for me the use of the DMW TS Server for DMW members- this IN/OUT/IN/OUT is a bit too hokey-cokey for me........and the rules so far are neither consistent nor fair and seem to be based purely on the bidding of a very small number of people and seems not to be based on "rules" but in a way that can only be classed as petty vindictiveness ( and that is about as polite as i can put it - not trying to be rude ).

Cheers

Niel

TeaLeaf · March 30, 2013, 10:09:04 AM

I note that he seems to be trying to be more polite now that he wants something. Be thankful for small mercies. Smilo asked my opinion last night on TS and I have provided it. I believe he also has opinions of the other DMR officers from that same 'session'. Over to you folks for a decision.

JonnyAppleSeed · March 30, 2013, 10:20:43 AM

I have sent a PM to Pen,Smilo, and Benny (as hes totally impartial and slightly interested)

If you had to read this stuff about yourself then I think its understandable that we don't want to be around the guy. That causes problems in TS. I cant see a workaround with some strange rules on TS. I think its just better to remove him. Yes it will look bad on us ....

smilodon · March 30, 2013, 11:18:39 AM

Posted a thread up in dMw Council that basically reiterates what we said last night and asks for a decision. If there was a way to resolve this I'd jump at it, but I'm inclined to think we're at a point where neither party should be trying to fix the unfixable.

Penfold · March 30, 2013, 01:05:36 PM

I've had enough really.

I'd be half tempted to refund on a pro-rata the months left on his supporting member status and tell him to sling his hook (along with his supporters which he keeps banging on about if they want). Then ban him. If he keeps coming in TS then I'd ban him from that if we can or change out the password if necessary.

Yes it may look bad on us but frankly we can handle it.

Thats my 0.02 cents

smilodon · March 30, 2013, 09:37:44 PM

Well something needs to happen. We now have a DMR guild split in half. Some people sit in the official WOW channels and another little group sit in the chill out room with Niel. I've made my thoughts clear, either we allow him back into the WOW TS channels or we remove him from the dMw community completely. What I don't think we can do is sit on our hands and do nothing.