windows 10 to be free

[Gorion]

So your actually disabling MS updates all together, disabling any hope that your pc will be protected against vulnerabilities and other security issues.. just because you got a nag with MS.
And if your gonna down the host file road, don't bloody point to 0.0.0.0, point to 127.0.0.1

And people wonder why vira and malware are spreading like wildfire...

According to my hosts, I'm using loopback.  No idea why I wrote 0.0.0.0

As for viri, malware and other crap, there are other programs which can take care of, and prevent that stuff.  Some common sense also helps.

If MS takes away your choice of what you want to install on your system, what other recourse is there?  They don't give a flyingF about what their customers think.  It's my system, I decide what I install.

If it wasn't for DX, I wouldn't even bother.  That's all I need from MS, not their laughable security applications, nor their blocky UI.  If they're catering for the common folk only, then such a system is "fine" up to a certain limit (security updates) as they have no idea how to prevent getting infected.  But when enterprise and other users come into play, it's a different dimension to what you can pull off.

[OldBloke]

This has got alarm bells ringing in my school environment.

http://www.howtogeek.com/219700/what-is-wi-fi-sense-and-why-does-it-want-your-facebook-account/

[sulky_uk]

***...this bit concerns me  

If someone connects to your network with a Windows 10 device, they can choose to share the connection details with all their friends â€" at least those friends using Windows 10. You can choose to opt out of this by changing your wireless network name, or SSID, to end with _optout. In other words, if your network name is currently “HomeNetwork”, Microsoft would like you to change the name to “HomeNetwork_optout” to opt out.

Nobodys having my info..if my firends want to connect to my network, it will be ones that visit my house and i get the plastic password thing out of the router for them to use....STUPID IDEA

[smilodon]

Have I read this right?

If I allow person A to connect to my WiFi then person A can effectively share my private login details with anyone else in the world (technically) anyone of whom in turn could rock up and connect to my network. Unless I actively change my SSID name, assuming it works and Microsoft that bastion of security doesn't find the whole WiFi Sense service has been horribly hacked.

I'm no lawyer but the ramifications of Microsoft being the pipeline to spew my private log in details all over the Internet seem enormous. How would Microsoft respond to the claim that because I allowed person A to connect to my WiFi they in turn, maybe unwittingly, passed that private information onto the 5000 Facebook 'Friends' they have as a direct consequence of using WiFi Sense, one of whom logged into my network and stole a £1m worth of data from me? Thanks Microsoft, a cheque will be fine. :blink:

I must have read it wrong. Otherwise I can see a W10 ban or MAC authentication being the order of the day in my house.

[albert]

Most ISPs do exactly this.It seems the same as BT FON or such like, opt in you use anyone elses PC as a Wi-Fi AP but doesn't share your credentials, you use a network protocol like radius to link back to an authentication server. I can't believe MS would break standard authentication methods. It would just eat up your allowance.

I believe historically MS called it Internet Connection Sharing.

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[Tutonic]

Doesn't add up, surely Microsoft can't be that daft?

[kregoron]

This has got alarm bells ringing in my school environment.

http://www.howtogeek.com/219700/what-is-wi-fi-sense-and-why-does-it-want-your-facebook-account/

Remeber it only works with PSK based wifi and some Guest setups

***...this bit concerns me  


Nobodys having my info..if my firends want to connect to my network, it will be ones that visit my house and i get the plastic password thing out of the router for them to use....STUPID IDEA

remember sharing is disabled by default. (atleast in the beta)

Have I read this right?

If I allow person A to connect to my WiFi then person A can effectively share my private login details with anyone else in the world (technically) anyone of whom in turn could rock up and connect to my network. Unless I actively change my SSID name, assuming it works and Microsoft that bastion of security doesn't find the whole WiFi Sense service has been horribly hacked.

I'm no lawyer but the ramifications of Microsoft being the pipeline to spew my private log in details all over the Internet seem enormous. How would Microsoft respond to the claim that because I allowed person A to connect to my WiFi they in turn, maybe unwittingly, passed that private information onto the 5000 Facebook 'Friends' they have as a direct consequence of using WiFi Sense, one of whom logged into my network and stole a £1m worth of data from me? Thanks Microsoft, a cheque will be fine. :blink:

I must have read it wrong. Otherwise I can see a W10 ban or MAC authentication being the order of the day in my house.

You only share your own stored networks. It doesn allow them to share the profiles, atleast not in the beta builds.

You have to actively mark a checkbox, before sharing the profile, so if your friend shares your wifi, he does so on purpose, same as if he just hands of your PW.


Tho i find the feature rather disturbing, as you all state it poses some threats.
The clients that connect to your wifi using a profile over wifi sense, apperently doesn't have access to local resources, only internet, or so microsoft claims.

Thank i run guest ssid with no access to anything but the internets.

[Sneakytiger]

come on guys think about it, MS are not about to give the whole world access to your pc, thats what we have passwords for.
do you really think MS is about to give cyber terrorists free reign over peoples  pcs?

THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! WERE DOOMED.

[smilodon]

Well if you read the article carefully then that seems to be exactly what they are doing. Again correct me if I am wrong but I have a home network with WiFi. You come and visit and I give you my WiFi password so you can log your laptop/tablet etc. into my WiFi and use my Internet connection. For whatever reason, and I have no control over this, you check the share button on WiFi Sense. Your device then automatically shares my private WiFi details with every one of your Facebook friends, all your Outlook Email contacts and all your Skype contacts, almost none of whom I know. Now in theory anyone of them can (assuming they know where I live) connect to my WiFi and use my Internet for anything they like (stealing music, sending death threats to the Pope or downloading child porn) and I have no idea they are doing it and no real way of stopping them unless i change my SSID name and Microsoft actually honours the opt out.

Crucially how many innocent people are even going to know this feature exists, especially if they're not Windows users (i.e. Apple and Linux folk). How many fewer even know what an SSID is. We're talking about people whose password for everything is probably 'p4ssword'.

The main kicker is that with things like BT Fon the owner of the modem has to turn it on. What I don't understand is that it seems that as the Network owner, unless I mangle my SSID name, I have zero control as to how my private log on details are going to be shared around the Internet. That I'm giving responsibility for them to the cretins at Microshite is a real bummer as well

[Gorion]

come on guys think about it, MS are not about to give the whole world access to your pc, thats what we have passwords for.
do you really think MS is about to give cyber terrorists free reign over peoples  pcs?

THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! WERE DOOMED.

It's MS, you never know.

Giving access to someones network puts their entire network at risk.  Not sure how many people use vlans or different subnets for their home networks.  So yeah, this is quite the bomb.

These guys have continually released software with multitudes of security issues.  Heck, they couldn't even ensure that their "security" application worked.  Would you really trust a company with that track record?

[kregoron]

Well if you read the article carefully then that seems to be exactly what they are doing. Again correct me if I am wrong but I have a home network with WiFi. You come and visit and I give you my WiFi password so you can log your laptop/tablet etc. into my WiFi and use my Internet connection. For whatever reason, and I have no control over this, you check the share button on WiFi Sense. Your device then automatically shares my private WiFi details with every one of your Facebook friends, all your Outlook Email contacts and all your Skype contacts, almost none of whom I know. Now in theory anyone of them can (assuming they know where I live) connect to my WiFi and use my Internet for anything they like (stealing music, sending death threats to the Pope or downloading child porn) and I have no idea they are doing it and no real way of stopping them unless i change my SSID name and Microsoft actually honours the opt out.

Crucially how many innocent people are even going to know this feature exists, especially if they're not Windows users (i.e. Apple and Linux folk). How many fewer even know what an SSID is. We're talking about people whose password for everything is probably 'p4ssword'.

The main kicker is that with things like BT Fon the owner of the modem has to turn it on. What I don't understand is that it seems that as the Network owner, unless I mangle my SSID name, I have zero control as to how my private log on details are going to be shared around the Internet. That I'm giving responsibility for them to the cretins at Microshite is a real bummer as well

Yeah i read the article. And i don't disagree with you m8, yet the feature has to be manually enabled.
If it works as intended, it doesn't give access to any local resources. (no unclear how that works, guess ill have to test it out)

Tho feature wise, i find it completely useless.

[kregoron]

It's MS, you never know.

Giving access to someones network puts their entire network at risk.  Not sure how many people use vlans or different subnets for their home networks.  So yeah, this is quite the bomb.

These guys have continually released software with multitudes of security issues.  Heck, they couldn't even ensure that their "security" application worked.  Would you really trust a company with that track record?

This is no less more insecure then giving someone your psk.. If someone wanted access to your wifi, and got just a tiny bit of skills, with a modern with a decent CPU, its takes so little time to break into a wifi, yes even WPA2.
IT supposedly doesn't give access to any local resources.
MS is not worse then any other vendor/software company other there. Their all just as bad. Atleast they try to keep their platform updated and security holes closed. Show me one company that has a shiny flawless track record.

[Sneakytiger]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MS is gonna need a mighty big server room to keep billions of ssid's on file,I mean all the private info of governments and everything else is gonna be made public,people will be selling your private info to the highest bidder,bring on wifi sharing ,let's burn down the Internet while we're at it,btw can u tell the sarcasm in my voice.lol

[kregoron]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MS is gonna need a mighty big server room to keep billions of ssid's on file,I mean all the private info of governments and everything else is gonna be made public,people will be selling your private info to the highest bidder,bring on wifi sharing ,let's burn down the Internet while we're at it,btw can u tell the sarcasm in my voice.lol

sarcasm.... you littllllleeeee

[smilodon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MS is gonna need a mighty big server room to keep billions of ssid's on file,......l

Sneaky with all due respect you really should actually 'read' the articles before you comment. I'm not sure you even understand what the issue is?

Yes Microsoft are planning on doing exactly that, they will collect and store the SSID and password for all the WiFi networks that Windows 10 users connect to (assuming they check the WiFi Sense button). They will then pass that data in encrypted form to the Windows 10 users that the original person has shared it with i.e. Facebook and Outlook contacts. This is a concern because if I let you use my WiFi network I am potentially sharing it with all your Facebook friends and Outlook contacts as well. Microsoft are sharing access to my personal WiFi network with all your contacts. I don't know your contacts and maybe I don't want to give them all access to my Network. That's my concern.