Google Stadia

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OldBloke

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BrotherTobious

Yeah it does and I have taken the built.
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DiseasedBunny

Bit more detail from them and it could be a goer

BrotherTobious

What more do you want to see bunny?
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smilodon

Google have indeed come up with a great idea. But then.....

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plus all the ones I can't remember were also great ideas. Google does have a long and miserable history of launching stuff with great fanfare, getting early adopters to invest huge amounts of time and often money into it and then killing it stone dead a few years later. I'd certainly go for the free service next year if Stadia still exists but there's zero chance I'd drop £120 on another Google flavour of the month
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TeaLeaf

I have to say that your post saved me a lot of typing, I'm feeling exactly the same about it.
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albert

Streaming media certainly is an important step. Let's look at recent events, ITunes are stopping selling their download service. Spotify and Deezer have caused this, non-ownership of the files that deliver the media, if the quality and cost are fair, can be a game changer.

Looking at the facts, large bitrate streaming has issues, netflix, youtube, amazon prime video, there are always times when the quality drops, even if you have a large amount of bandwidth both up and down.

Do that in a game, it's an immersion killer.

Has anyone tried Playstation Now? When I did, it was acceptable but like playing well PS2 games on a youtube stream at medium bitrate at best.

Steam Link, great tech, LAN based where speed is supposed to be best. But it still drops quality occasionally even over a stable network, and they stopped selling it.

So personally, I have doubts they can meet the quality and cost balance but would be prepared to be wrong.

Edit: Plus look at the royalties the song writers, publishers and mucisians get from streaming services, 2000 listens might buy you a nice lunch. Are those game developers, the AAA ones who put hundreds of millions of £s into development going to put the latest titles onto this service? I doubt it, they rely on pre-orders and DLC not on peanuts for streaming.

Edit: And let's face it, Destiny 2 as a selling point? Seriously?
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Chaosphere

As we established at the LAN, I can't see anything below 100Hz anymore, so a streaming service that supports a measly 60 FPS is of absolutely no interest to me. I would suggest you all put that £120 towards a 144Hz monitor instead... :D

Combine that with the inevitable added input lag, uncertain and variable bit-rates for both video and audio, and I see no place for this technology in the home of any 'serious' gamer.

With that said, keep in mind that even the more casual-minded have been able to see the difference when going from a 60Hz display to a 120... so perhaps my argument need not be restricted to the enthusiasts alone!

To me this remains a step back for now, and I just don't see why we need to go there with storage media getting so affordable, and uncapped home internet being (more or less) the norm.
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albert

I’m thinking after more careful reading this is aimed at the single player console market rpgs or pausable games. I can see its place there. But I don’t need a Chromecast or another controller.

The refresh rate I see as less important in console sprpg.
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BrotherTobious

It will also work with Keyboard and mouse, I am seeing at a interesting experiment and you dont have to get the £119 there is a free service next year.  But if it works it will be impressive to see.
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Chaosphere

Quote from: albert;437966The refresh rate I see as less important in console sprpg.

There's a degree of personal preference here, I suppose. To me it doesn't matter what the game is, 60Hz is sluggish and unresponsive. Racing, RPG...the typical (for me) 'console games', they can all still benefit from a higher frame rate, IMO.

And @ BT, keep in mind it won't ever be free. First of all you have to buy the hardware (controller and chromecast ultra dongle), and that the games themselves are not free. Only in the monthly 'pro' (£8.99/mo) option do you get any free games - and they could all be naff... Destiny 2? Really? The 'free' option just opens up another games store, if you want to actually play anything.
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DiseasedBunny

Quote from: BrotherTobious;437951What more do you want to see bunny?
Cost of games not in the subscription?
Other than destiny 2, what is with it games-wise?

Mikep1212

the input lag will kill any immersion you ever want to feel in any game you play.

When Digital foundry tested stadia they measured a button to pixel delay of 180ms. No thanks.

BrotherTobious

All reasonable reason why not to but l want to see what it is like and I think it is worth a punt. They still have l some delopment time.
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"Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon.." Terry Pratchett

Chaosphere

At this point you might be wondering what games you can play on Stadia - and, well, you're not alone. Thankfully, during Google's pre-E3 video stream, we got a chance to see what's coming to the service:  

Assassin’s Creed Odyssey
Borderlands 3
The Crew 2
Darksiders Genesis
Destiny 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Dragon Ball Xenoverse
The Elder Scrolls Online
Farming Simulator 19
Final Fantasy 15
Football Manager
Get Packed
GRID
Gylt
Just Dance
Metro Exodus
Mortal Kombat 11
NBA 2K
Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid
Rage 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Samurai Showdown
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Breakpoint
Tom Clancy’s The Division 2
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition
Thumper
Trials Rising
Wolfenstein: Youngblood

Taken from this hands on review.

I'm interested enough to keep an eye on it, particularly on how it ends up performing on 'real world' connections. For me, the technical limitations and no personal need to move away from stored games hold streaming back for now, but that's just me. Could be it finds its niche and takes off.. we'll see!
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