Maybe its time

Liberator · January 28, 2020, 06:15:37 PM

So, my current system is built on a mobo I bought in Nov 2010, so maybe it's time I looked at an upgrade.

I like my systems to be upgradable, rather than be the best of the best out of the gate, so I'm thinking........

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS (No WiFi)
Ryzen 3600 (Stock Cooler)
G.Skill Trident Z Neo (2x16 DDR4-PC3600 CAS16)
Sabrent Rocket HTSK 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME

and maybe a second drive

Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME

There will need to be a case, something not too flashy and I will be transplanting my RX570-8gb initially, I also have a CX750M PSU sat waiting.

sulky_uk · January 29, 2020, 04:21:41 AM

all i can say is holy crap..are you feeling ok.

Specs seem good btw

SithAfrikaan · January 29, 2020, 06:43:40 AM

Only thing I'd say, is for negligible extra cost you can go for the 3700x ryzen instead no? It's what myself and a couple others have upgraded to and it is an incredible performance jump, I also upgraded from a almost-ten-year-build.

Can't wait to hear how the upgrade feels bro.

Liberator · January 29, 2020, 10:39:01 AM

Quote from: SithAfrikaan;440549Only thing I'd say, is for negligible extra cost you can go for the 3700x ryzen instead no? It's what myself and a couple others have upgraded to and it is an incredible performance jump, I also upgraded from a almost-ten-year-build.

Can't wait to hear how the upgrade feels bro.

The 5% increase on a 3700x compared to a 3600 doesn't seem to add up cost wise. Â£160 v Â£270. Although the move from 3600 to 3600x might be worth looking at, does anything really need 8 cores yet.

I think the biggest increase will be around the PCI 4,0 NVME,

Not ordered anything yet, just specing up at the moment and I do expect that this mobo will last me a fair amount of time and see a CPU upgrade and a few GPU upgrades in its future.

Chaosphere · January 29, 2020, 11:36:54 AM

You should absolutely not get the 3600.

The next gen of consoles are going to be based around 8 physical CPU cores.

Consoles are the lowest common denominator when it comes to game development, meaning we will absolutely see games taking advantage of 8 cores in the next few years - it will undoubtedly become the norm in time.

Although this doesn't mean those with 6 core machines should rush out and buy new CPUs just yet, it does mean that those building anyway should really look towards 8 cores, IMO. Otherwise, like those with 6 core machines, you may find yourself wanting in just a couple of years.

If you want to save some cash, look for a cheaper motherboard. 570 offers nothing necessarily advantageous in 2020 over the cheaper Ryzen offerings like B450, for example.

You mention PCI 4.0, but from a gaming point of view modern GPUs do not saturate PCI 3.0 x16 yet, not even close. The real advantage to PCI 4 right now is storage as you say, and even there the speed increase from a good PCI 3 NVMe to a PCI 4 one is marginal at best. It simply is not worth the price of entry yet, for those trying to save some pounds. Do you need faster storage than offered by PCI 3 NVMe? Most of us really don't right now...

tl;dr, A B450 board and PCI 3 NVMe drives will save you cash with absolutely no noticeable performance difference for the next few years.

A B450 3700 build will last for years. By the time you need to upgrade, you will be looking at actual PCI 4 GPUs, DDR5, etc.. necessitating a new motherboard. I personally do not buy into the practice of keeping a motherboard and upgrading the CPU.. you don't need to do this if you buy carefully - the motherboard tech will need replacing before the CPU (which is a good thing). Sure, get the 570 if you want to pay a bit more for it.. but I would certainly not take the 570 over the 3700.

Hope that helps.

Liberator · January 30, 2020, 11:41:05 AM

Still deciding so all input is appreciated,

Nice info about the Octacore's, that will change my mind on processor, but I still like to have upgrade options so will stick with the X570 base. The ASUS TUF X570 seems to have pretty robust VRMs and military grade caps. I also really like ASUS, all my main systems have been on their boards and I've had no trouble with them, same thing processor wise I started off with AMD on the DX2-80 chip on my first PC. My only divergence from that was the original Pentium.

It's not a budget thing, but a bang for buck.

The PCPartPicker price for the CL16 ram was based on a Czech company, UK sourcing is a hell of a lot more expensive, so I may settle for some CL18 of the same frequency and family instead and a bit closer to home.

Although PCI 4.0 is not being utilised yet on GFX and the NVME drives out there at 4.0 are restricted to 5gb/s by the current chip controllers, the 40% better sustained read/write speeds they currently have seems to blow away the 3.0 drives for only a few pounds more. I know in the real world this probably won't see any great gain, but I'm thinking that a lot of the upcoming games are going to be more IO intensive as they transition between Sim and FPS modes. I know swap is not an issue in today's 32/64/128gb ram world, but having that write speed capability makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

My current system is not doing too bad on most games, still getting 60fps on Division2, but occasional stop motion when testing Star Citizen and the likes of Atlas and ARK as they release engine updates and more intensive maps they kill my system.

I'm coming from a ASUS M4A89TD Pro/USB3 (stuck at PCIe 2.0x16) with FX8350 (upgraded from a Phenom 2 X6 1055T). I think they were the first USB3.0 motherboards that ASUS produced with an AMD chipset as there was a USB2.0 version as well. It has and currently still is doing reasonably okay for what I play with High or Very High GFX settings, but only Ultra on few things, I have no intentions of going 4K any time soon.

smilodon · January 30, 2020, 02:06:22 PM

Riding along on Liberator's coat atils watching this thread as I'm also looking upgrade my current old gaming system.

Chaosphere · January 30, 2020, 06:28:52 PM

Quote from: Liberator;440563It's not a budget thing, but a bang for buck.

I think this is really key, and certainly explains your interest in 570 over 450. Can't fault the plan either - there is nothing wrong with 570, and as you have said you may well see gains either now or in the future. An 8 core CPU in a 570 board makes a decent proposition, then.

As for the RAM, 3600 CL 16 or 18, doesn't matter. You're above the point of diminishing returns. The newer Ryzen CPUs are not as fickle as the older models when it comes to memory. Either will serve you well, and I am please dto see 32GB as a more future proof option.

Looking good... now let me ask... do you have a 144Hz monitor yet? :flirty:

Liberator · January 31, 2020, 05:17:30 PM

I'll probably think about 144Hz further down the line and just stick with my current one for now.

For the case I looked around about air flow and decibels and the Phantek P400A seemed to have ticked a lot of boxes for the guys on Gamers Nexus, but there are also some niggles around build quality. They also seem to count the Cooler Master H500 as an alternative, but slightly higher db.

RizZy · February 01, 2020, 07:13:37 AM

I've got the H500 Lib, very nice case, I also considered the P400A, dunno if it's a good thing or bad that we've similar ideas on cases :g:

Chaosphere · February 01, 2020, 08:22:24 AM

I'm sure either will be fine.. Just replace the stock CPU cooler (dear god please replace the stock CPU cooler) and when ready invest in a GPU that doesn't 'take off'.

Galatoni · February 01, 2020, 08:16:04 PM

Rocking a 3700x and it absolutely rocks! I was toying with the idea of upgrading my original CPU one step further, but in the end the 3700 is more than enough.

Honestly, i've been the most impressed with the stock cooler than anything i've recently had, and that is coming off the back of a corsair H80i for my previous build, which was water cooled. If noise is more of a concern, that's fair enough. But really, for a stock cooler, the prism is really excellent. Now I just need to upgrade my 1070!

Liberator · February 03, 2020, 11:59:31 AM

I was thinking of building with the stock and seeing what happens, but if you type in best q

Liberator · February 03, 2020, 12:17:42 PM

I was thinking of building with the stock and seeing what happens, but if you type in best quiet cooler for 3700x you get some surprising results.

There is a cheap Chinese cooler manufacturer out there called Snowman and they seem to have a great product for around Â£20.

The 4 heat pipe single fan versions rate really highly, I was wondering about getting one of these 6 heat pipe versions with double fans as a potential swap out later.

I'm looking around for reviews of the variants as well, they have dual tower 6 heat pipe versions with a central fan.

RizZy · February 03, 2020, 07:47:18 PM

I went with the stock cooler on my 3700x & lasted about a week before I'd had enough of the noise, I looked at the Snowman too myself but decided against it, I went with the cooler master hyper 212, dropped the temps & more importantly the noise & isn't so large that it dominates the inside of the case.