TMP 2.0 /Windows 11

[OldBloke]

And we're up and running. No immediate problems apparent. I know ... give it time

[DiseasedBunny]

So now I have a pc that CAN do windows 11, the question is SHOULD I get it? Anyone got any issues with w11?

[smilodon]

Although I can't run Windows 11 on my old PC my new shiny upgrade will have the option. It's telling that OEMS like Scan and Overclockers are still installing Windows 10 as standard. You have to actually email them and specifically ask for the upgrade.

I've been looking at W11 and while from a users perspective it seems to be a decent graphical refresh I have noticed that Microsoft is trying to pull you further into it's ecosystem with this launch. Microsoft did announce with absolute surety that Windows 10 would definitely be the last ever numbered version of Windows and from now on the OS would be updated iteratively like Chrome OS every few months. It would be just Windows, not Windows "something". As with most of the big tech companies that turned out to be a load of BS. A new OS means you effectively start again with a new set up. This has allowed Microsoft to slip in a mandatory requirement to have a Microsoft Account with all the associated hoovering up of your personal data. Had MS just forced this change with an iterative update to Windows 10 there would have been an outcry, but making a it a feature of a new OS seems to have allowed it to appear relatively unnoticed.

Microsoft vice like grip on desktop PC's has been slipping slowly for many years. Really the only real reasons people use Windows is for the Office Integration, serious gaming and just old habit. Also the Windows 10 is a decent OS and plenty of people just choose it because they like how it works.

But Microsoft has never really competed well when they were at the mercy of consumer choice and whether their product was actually any good. Look as Windows Mobile! Microsoft are pushing Windows as SAAS rather than just the old model of a simple OS platform. Microsoft are becoming more like Apple with all it's services and hardware options & Google and its own ecosystem. However I can imagine they are not thrilled about getting into a fair fight with Apple and Google. I think they will obviously leverage their dominant position on the desktop to pull users into their world.  Microsoft can produce decent stuff like Xbox Game Pass and Office which are reason enough to use Windows. They can also ruin stuff as they seem to be doing with Microsoft Edge. Once a lean Chromium based browser it's Edge is sliding down into the world of unwanted bloatware as Microsoft seem incapable of leaving it alone. So, whether given a free choice in a world where we could game on any platform and likewise run an entire business, whether we would all come rushing to Microsoft is uncertain.

So I sort of think Windows 11 is an unasked for OS that could easily have arrived as an update.

The TMP requirement is interesting. On the surface it seems sensible enough. Security is good right? But while I might be wandering close to Tin Foil Hat territory it does seem a very odd choice that Microsoft are locking out a large number of potential users (customers) who may well just head off and get a Chromebook. What other reason could Microsoft have for enforcing TMP 2?

Microsoft is a company not without controversy. A $600 million USA fine, being a supposedly fully paid up member of PRISM (CIA/NSA global spying system),  vague patent related legal threats against any companies that moved to Linux (which they never actioned), blacklisting journalists who criticised Microsoft, close integration with China and all it's scummy activities. The list goes on. And while there are many other Tech companies that have similar chequered histories (Apple, Google, Oracle, Facebook ..........) it seems clear Microsoft can get up to all kinds of nonsense of their own.
 While TMP  does have decent security features it also allows the gatekeeper of TMP on a platform, in this case Microsoft, to decide what software does and doesn't get through TMP. They can in theory blacklist anything that doesn't meet whatever set of rules they want to implement. Hello Apple!!!

From Wikipedia

TCG has faced resistance to the deployment of this technology in some  areas, where some authors see possible uses not specifically related to Trusted Computing,  which may raise privacy concerns.
The concerns include the abuse of  remote validation of software (where the manufacturerâ€"and not the user  who owns the computer systemâ€"decides what software is allowed to run)  and possible ways to follow actions taken by the user being recorded in  a database, in a manner that is completely undetectable to the user.


The TrueCrypt disk encryption utility, as well as its derivative VeraCrypt,  do not support TPM. The original TrueCrypt developers were of the  opinion that the exclusive purpose of the TPM is "to protect against  attacks that require the attacker to have administrator privileges, or  physical access to the computer". The attacker who has physical or  administrative access to a computer can circumvent TPM, e.g., by  installing a hardware keystroke logger,  by resetting TPM, or by capturing memory contents and retrieving  TPM - issued keys. As such, the condemning text goes so far as to claim  that TPM is entirely redundant.The VeraCrypt publisher has reproduced the original allegation with no  changes other than replacing "TrueCrypt" with "VeraCrypt".  The author is right that, after achieving either unrestricted physical  access or administrative privileges, it is only a matter of time before  other security measures in place are bypassed. However, stopping an attacker in possession of administrative privileges has never been one of the goals of TPM, and TPM can stop some physical tampering.


In 2015, Richard Stallman  stated that "there are reasons to think that it will not be feasible to  use [TPM] for DRM". He also called TPM technology "treacherous  computing" and claimed it would expose users to "1984-style retroactive  [data] erasure".^[58]

Again it might be a bit conspiracy theory but this is Microsoft and I wouldn't put anything past them.

At the moment I dual book Windows 10 with a local account (solely for gaming) and Linux Mint for everything else. As and when I take advantage of the £1 for three months Game Pass I role up a random Microsoft account and then delete it. Although I am sure Microsoft will never make Xbox platform agnostic I wonder how long I'll need to even keep Windows 10 around with like likes of Nvidia, Stadia etc making hardware less and less relevant. Maybe Microsoft can see the writing is on the wall for their old model and are getting their ducks in a row for becoming more of an Apple or a Google type business. Ultimately they probably have no choice and are trying to drag as many users into the ecosystem and force a Microsoft account on them before they have to start competing on a level field with everyone else.

Or maybe it's a new shiny bit of sweet teckieness and I'll snaffle it up as soon as I get a PC capable of running it  

[A Twig]

So now I have a pc that CAN do windows 11, the question is SHOULD I get it? Anyone got any issues with w11?

Have had mine for a couple weeks now and seems pretty decent to be honest, will take a while to break the "bottom left corner" muscle memory but other than that all good

[sulky_uk]

Have had mine for a couple weeks now and seems pretty decent to be honest, will take a while to break the "bottom left corner" muscle memory but other than that all good

you know there is an option to move it to the left corner?

Open Settings > Personalization > Taskbar, then select the Taskbar behaviors option. Use the Taskbar alignment drop-down to change the icons from Center to Left. The Start button, along with the rest of the icons on the Taskbar, will reposition to the bottom left

[smilodon]

With the recent explosion of my trusty old PC I've upgraded to a new shiny 2022 spec one. I could have gone with W10 but thought why not and jumped into W11 Pro. The Pro version allows me to run it without having to set up a Microsoft account which is nice. I think W11 Home makes that much harder if not impossible. The only reason I can see for a Microsoft account, apart from quietly shovelling loads of personal information to Microsoft is if I had an Xbox Game pass, which since my three month trial expired I haven't bothered to do.

This is also a fresh install on a new machine rather than an update to W10. So far it's actually pretty decent. I use Linux a lot to the central taskbar seems quite intuitive and there are quite a few nice interface updates, so all in all not at all shabby.

It's still a mystery as to why Microsoft previously stated with absolute certainly, that there would be no more Windows versions, just rolling updates - and then completely about faced and released W11? Especially as it seems to be not much more than a visual refresh.

[BrotherTobious]

Yeah it seems that most of not all win 11 version you have to have a internet connection and a windows account.

[A Twig]

So W11 has been running brilliantly until about 2 weeks ago when boot up etc started taking a lot longer. About the time that widgets got added to my taskbar... anyone else? Feels like there is probably a config hidden somewhere but haven't the foggiest

[albert]

widgets? Any examples?

[A Twig]

After an update a couple of weeks ago a widgets icon (white rectangle and light blue rectangle inside a dark blue square) appeared next to my start menu. It also changes with the weather because apparently there was a weather widget or something... (The weather thing was only reason I really noticed the update to be honest) and since then boot up has been a lot slower. Don't think it is particularly the widgets, more it was the update that made that icon appear on my taskbar that seems to have slowed things.

[Michelanio]

Doing a bit of necromancy on this thread but how is Windows 11 working for you people who have it? Got it at the work computer since a few weeks (minimal stuff on it) but been a bit tempted to upgrade my home computer to it as well but bit unsure still.

[OldBloke]

Mine has, on the whole, been fine. I didn't do any forensic performance measures pre/post upgrading so can't comment there but gaming is absolutely fine.

My only issue is that the PC has recently refused to do any Windows Updates. Tried all the suggested fixes including use of Powershell updates but still fails. I will do a clean install in the near future as, in the past, I have always gone down this route instead of doing an upgrade.

[OldBloke]

Re-built my PC yesterday with a fresh install if W11 Pro.

So far, so good.

[TeaLeaf]

My W11 install has not yet happened, I made the mistake of incorrectly formatting my SSD, so I have too do a fresh install to get it right.   :doh:

The side benefit of getting it wrong is that I persuaded myself that I deserved a nice new Samsung 990 PRO 1TB to do it. :whistle:

[Michelanio]

Thanks guys! I did actually update to W11 the other day and so far it's okay, some minor things ofc but so far it's working okay. Want to do a re-install to get everything clean but atm I just can't be asked.