To CZ or not to CZ?

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by GhostMjr+Aug 4 2004, 09:53 AM-->

[Armitage]

just wondered how many people haven't got a copy of cz yet. If it's most. i can't see a problem moving over to a CZ:TCS server.

[Zok]

There isn’t much more to be said, just to add my voice to the already running crowd that would like to see a CZ server with password protection so we can play it the way it should be played.

Just as a footnote I’d like to add that as a former ardent slater of CZ and all it stood for (ripping off the punters) in the years that I have been playing CS (from beta 6 I think) many changes have taken place, since version 1 the changes have been less noticeable and further between. When CZ was first released it was more or less the same game as CS, hence my and many others disgust that we should be charged 30 quid for a game that we already own, since then Valve have made some major changes to the visuals and more importantly the game play, the way that nades now perform is my particular favourite, now it may be argued that these changes could have been made when CS was still a free modification to an existing game, but would they have happened so quickly, and would they have been of the same quality?

I am now the proud owner of CZ and find that I can only sing its glories, for £13 I can continue to enjoy a game I have been playing for years, and if we can have a TCZ server, playing with the people I enjoy playing with, plus I get to have a go at testing CS.source which looks like the next logical step in the CS evolution.

[smilodon]

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As and when CS:S takes over the mantle from CS 1.6 this will all be academic. In the meantime perhapse we should remember we're a community and some community spirit wouldn't hurt.  It's clear there are some without CZ and some who have it but don't much care for it, and the split is affecting their ability to enjoy CS.

Using the CZ server as an open advert for the -=[dMw]=- is laudable and it's understandable that those of us with CZ would want to have a some fun playing it on the CZ server.

On the other hand deserting the CS servers completely strikes me as monumentally selfish. It gives no consideration to those who do not own CZ but still want to be fully inclusive members of the -=[dMw]=- community. Not everyone here has the money, inclination or bandwidth to run CZ and that shouldn't be forgotten. A mass exodus to the CZ server is going to marginalise those without CZ and that will be to the detriment of the community as a whole.

CZ is rarely able to be played in the TCS style, and that far more than fancy graphics and talking hostages should dictate where we spend most of our time.

Fortunatley most people are conscious of the potental issues and spread their time between all the servers fairly. Those that don't might want to think on.....or not . It's a free world I guess.

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[DarkAngel]

This all began due to player shortages as its the summer and therefore there is a slum in players. It will pick up again after summer when its too cold to go outside. And then cs:source/hl2 will be out and maybe discuss a change then with all peoples vies etc. I just blame valve for bringing out cz dam them.

[Anonymous]

If that was true then all servers would be equally affected. Unfortunately people are choosing to play CZ in preference to CS.

[Benny]

That is fair enough Smilo, ain't there always a but...if the majority of the community have it, should they not play 'their' new game because the minority of the community won't spend £11 ish quid on a game they've been playing for free for 4 years?

I mean, even you have it! And Zok has changed his tune, and he's old and stubborn.

Either way, I'm not fussed, I take back my point earlier, I went back to the hook quite happily last night. So I'll go wth the admin flow.

Just out of interest, will we be playing 1.6 when HL2, source or whatever comes out because some of the community won't upgrade?

Anyway, have a smiley to show we're still friends, we can cross swords at the LAN, (in the urinals)
 

[Armitage]

it's 8.50 meathook is empty. and the cz is 12/16. not sure we can stop the evolution. I think there is a line from x-man that says the same :huh:

i fear for the release of cs:source. when it means upgrading full systems rather than a £13 add on. will realy split us down the middle. speaking as someone who is running  a p4 1.7ghz I guess i will have to buy a whole new box :unsure:

[smilodon]

There's nothing to suggest that Valve plan to charge anything for CS:S. So on that assumption I imagine it will be much as the move from CS 1.5 to 1.6.
Assuming the Leagues update and the main body of the community also update then it seems fairly straight forward that -=[dMw]=- will update as well.

If there are major issues about minimum hardware specs of Valve decide to charge for Source then I guess we're in a sticky spot  

And to clarify, people can do what ever they like with their own software and it would be daft to expect CZ owners to not play their games. I just have an issue with people utterly deserting CS 1.6 and TCS in favour of it. Seems to me to be against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone who doesn't own a copy. We're an inclusive community which is why CZ hasn't been adopted totally and Cs 1.6 dropped. No one can agrue that played TCS style CZ ins't a lot better and more fun than CS 1.6.  

[Anonymous]

:dmw:  :withstupid:  :dmw:

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Aug 4 2004, 09:27 PM
:dmw:  :withstupid:  :dmw:

Psst.  Stop posting stuff and get on the MH - you're missing a classic session!

TL.

[smilodon]

Sigh...I'm setting up my new firewall. Yawnnnnn but it has to be done  

[Dr Sadako]

it's 8.50 meathook is empty. and the cz is 12/16. not sure we can stop the evolution.

And to clarify, people can do what ever they like with their own software and it would be daft to expect CZ owners to not play their games. I just have an issue with people utterly deserting CS 1.6 and TCS in favour of it. Seems to me to be against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone who doesn't own a copy. We're an inclusive community which is why CZ hasn't been adopted totally and Cs 1.6 dropped. No one can agrue that played TCS style CZ ins't a lot better and more fun than CS 1.6.

[rant]
Sorry but I get quite irritated when I read this. The community isn't there just so you can have a game when it pleases you (and by you I mean any community member). Get on the server and idle if you want a game!!! Then it would be 1/16 instead of 0/16. The server will not be populated unless you join yourself. Spam friends. Post in the forums. Do your part to get a game going. Not idling to get a game going but waiting for someone else to do the job is against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone part of the community imho.

If people want to play CZ let them. What are we talking about ... maximum 16 players that don't play CS ... gee let me think .... only 403 other community members that can play CS.  <_<
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Sue me.  

[Anonymous]

I was going to reply to that but I decided it ain't worth it  <_<

[DarkAngel]

CS: Source will run on any machine as quoted from that video on the forum. Its just that the better your pc is the better the game will look it will still be the same game underneath so hold your upgrade m8.