To CZ or not to CZ?

[ChimpBoy]

Originally posted by Cadaver@Aug 4 2004, 10:11 AM
I only paid £13 for my copy from play.com. So I'm now down a total of £18 on a game I enjoy a hell of a lot and keep coming back to - big deal. I've dropped more on single games that have been completed in a fortnight and now gather dust on a shelf, and pished more away on a single night down the pub.

Precisely - the commercial "I got ripped off" argument just isn't valid anymore, as Zok also said.  The changes to the initial CZ model have more than justified any money I spent.

Is it really going to break anyone's bank to pay £13 for a copy of CZ?

I just have an issue with people utterly deserting CS 1.6 and TCS in favour of it. Seems to me to be against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone who doesn't own a copy. We're an inclusive community which is why CZ hasn't been adopted totally and Cs 1.6 dropped

Sorry, but why on earth should I play a game I don't enjoy as much, when there's a perfectly good CZ game going?  It's not for you or anyone else to tell others what they should play and when they should play it, or draw inferences from their actions.
And I haven't abandoned TCS.  Why would you say that?  Just because there's bots and public players doesn't mean I have become a fragger.  I still play CZ in the spirit of TCS, just on a better game engine that doesn't look 10 years old.

If we're an inclusive community then lets drop one of the unused CS servers, and give folks what they've been asking for in this thread.  We have four servers in total, of which only two are ever really in use (CZ and MH, plus Balders on a matchnight).  Drop Homer and set up a pw protected CZ server for community bods.  I can't remember when the last call came onto a CS server for people to drop and help make a second CS game.

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 5 2004, 12:43 AM
We have four servers in total, of which only two are ever really in use (CZ and MH, plus Balders on a matchnight).  Drop Homer and set up a pw protected CZ server for community bods.  I can't remember when the last call came onto a CS server for people to drop and help make a second CS game.

I second that. A passworded TCZ server would be very nice indeed.

[TeaLeaf]

dMw is currently a CS-based community and for the time being we will remain so.  

Our community will continue to develop as do the games we play.  Healthy debate about our future is welcomed, but we feel that as Source is so close now we do not feel it is worth evaluating the rights or wrongs of any immediate change.  If Source is as good as everyone hopes it will be then it may, in turn, overtake CZ's apparent current popularity.  Nothing is certain and we need to wait for Source to be released before we consider re-evaluate how the community should progress.

We will revisit this issue again when Source is released and stable.  In the mean time, please feel free to continue the debate as everyone's input is valued.

Thank you.

Oldbloke & TeaLeaf

[ChimpBoy]

Fine by me Leaf - no one on here is saying drop 1.6.  It's just that a few of us would like the opportunity to play CZ on a private server.

I also think it's touching that you think Source is close  In a cynical world it's nice to see folks who still believe

[Maus]

(well, CS:S did just get delayed yesterday )

[smilodon]

Originally posted by Sadako@Aug 4 2004, 10:38 PM

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Sorry but I get quite irritated when I read this. The community isn't there just so you can have a game when it pleases you (and by you I mean any community member). Get on the server and idle if you want a game!!! Then it would be 1/16 instead of 0/16. The server will not be populated unless you join yourself. Spam friends. Post in the forums. Do your part to get a game going. Not idling to get a game going but waiting for someone else to do the job is against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone part of the community imho.

We're at cross purposes here matey. I agree completely with everything you say. I don't have any issue with anyone playing any game they like. CS 1.6 players could make more effort to get a game going I agree. My issue was with people who won't play CS anymore at all. No matter how many people idle on the MH they have decided to shun CS 1.6 completely. I still argue that that isn't in the spirit of the community. We're a CS community not a CZ one. If someone won't even play CS anymore I think that's a little poor.

If people want to play CZ let them. What are we talking about ... maximum 16 players that don't play CS ... gee let me think .... only 403 other community members that can play CS. <_<
[/rant]

Sue me.

Like I say no one should be dictating what someone plays or doesn't play. Right now I don't have the time to play either CS or CZ and I'd be a bit upset it someone moaned at me about it. Again my issue is only about dropping CS completely in favour of CZ.  

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by smilodon@Aug 5 2004, 09:09 AM
We're at cross purposes here matey. I agree completely with everything you say. I don't have any issue with anyone playing any game they like. CS 1.6 players could make more effort to get a game going I agree. My issue was with people who won't play CS anymore at all. No matter how many people idle on the MH they have decided to shun CS 1.6 completely. I still argue that that isn't in the spirit of the community. We're a CS community not a CZ one. If someone won't even play CS anymore I think that's a little poor.

 

I see what you mean now. I just want to add that we are both a CS and a CZ community now as we have matches in both games and a CZ server. I don't think we should drop 1.6 at all. Three of four matches are in CS1.6 so there is no reason to even think that we are dropping it until CS:S comes out (if/when etc).

Still I feel it is unfair to tell people to drop a good CZ game to go to the hook if there isn't anyone on the hook idling.

[smilodon]

Originally posted by Sadako+Aug 5 2004, 09:58 AM-->

[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by smilodon@Aug 5 2004, 02:38 PM
Okey we're a Cs/CZ community    I take your point. the idea of passwording and TCS'ing a server so we can play TCS CZ is a good one assuming we have the bandwidth for a fith server or want to reuse Homer in a new role. A public CZ server is a good recruiting ground so i think we should keep it.

It also occurs to me that assuming we make a quick and painless leap to CS:S ( :lmfao:  fat chance with valve at the helm) will we have to stick to available CS:S maps for a while? How long will it take the mappers to convert their maps to CS:S? With this in mind maybe having a 'map testing server' (Homer) is a bit pointless, as any maps we pick from it etc. may not be converted to CS:S. Would it be an idea to hold fire on map rotation development until our future plans are fixed?

And if so wouldn't it be an idea to convert Homer to passworded CZ TCS?

• Meathook TCS CS 1.6 (passworded)
• Baldrick Charlie match server and CS 1.6 public
• CZ Server (new name?) TCS CZ (passworded)
• Homer Delta match server and public CZ

Am I wrong or am I wrong??? [/b]

You are completely right.

I don't think CS:S will be a smooth transition at all and as you say we will probably have a map shortage at first. Then we all need to consider that when it comes out CS1.6 will disappear and we will have CS:S and CZ instead.

Converting Homer to a TCZ server is something that is reasonable as it is not used in its current state. Your suggestion of the servers are sound to me at least. The only change is that Homer actually will be used.

[Whitey]

:withstupid:  :withstupid:

I agree with the gentlemen above.  

Change Homer to passworded CZ (at least for a trial period) and see how things progress.

[Gone_Away]

Word.

Personally, I prefer to play CZ. I think the LAN should have a CZ server running.  :dribble:

[Maus]

Okay ... so I just bought CZ. See you all in about a fortnight when it finishes updating

As an aside, the disc full of HL2 movies is awesome. I'd only seen three of them before, since I hadn't bothered downloading every morsel of HL2 goodness over my modem. The "Traptown" movie is fantastic, and so are those little buzzy flying things in the "Tunnels" movie.

Edit: Oh hey, there's only about on hour's worth of updating to do

Edit #2: Make that an hour and climbing  

[smilodon]

What really annoyed me was that although I had a full install of Deleted Scenes from the disc, Steam still wants to completely re-download it from the Internet. Took hours and hours and then it turns out to be complete and utter crap  :angry:

[Maus]

Hate to break it to you smilo, but you could have played it from the icon in the start menu without needing to download it. I've been playing it while waiting for CZ to update.

Said update is, of course, taking much longer than it said. It has now "finished" (i.e. the game is ready to play, it says), but it's also still downloading as it only has 70% of the content. Since I started on 65% I think this might take a while...

edit:

Hmm, about 18 hours later and I'm on 90%... this is taking far too long.

[Maus]

Aw, clucking bell. (last whine, I promise)

Somehow my CZ installation managed to overwrite my CS gcf, so having spend 30 hours downloading CZ updates, I now need to download about 5 hours of CS updates.

Talk about well-designed.