To CZ or not to CZ?

[DuVeL]

CZ is the way I think and the m idio*ts who keep being anoying are being kicked or banned really fast because of the good adminning. Cheers for that Steve and the others. Usually when there´s a TKer on I´ll just ask Squonk and the bugger is out of here.

[Whitey]

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I was really glad to get off the CZ server last night and onto the hook.  It's just so frustrating trying to play in a TCS style with a team who are more interested in frag hunting.  I think it was myself and DA on the Terrorist side on Dust 2 and we would call rush on B or long A etc and you would end up with two or maybe three people going the same way and everyone else looking after themselves (non dMw members obviously) <_<

CZ is obviously a better game it's just the fact it's open to the public I don't like.
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[Dr Sadako]

Originally posted by whitey@Aug 3 2004, 04:47 PM
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I was really glad to get off the CZ server last night and onto the hook.  It's just so frustrating trying to play in a TCS style with a team who are more interested in frag hunting.  I think it was myself and DA on the Terrorist side on Dust 2 and we would call rush on B or long A etc and you would end up with two or maybe three people going the same way and everyone else looking after themselves (non dMw members obviously) <_<

CZ is obviously a better game it's just the fact it's open to the public I don't like.
 :angry:

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If more people bought it we could go CZ instead ... it is a better game than 1.6.

[Anonymous]

I'm holding out for CS:Source or CS:2 whatever it gets called. Why upgrade twice?

[marsvolta]

why isnt the CZ server passworded like the others?

[ChimpBoy]

Originally posted by whitey@Aug 3 2004, 03:47 PM
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I was really glad to get off the CZ server last night and onto the hook.  It's just so frustrating trying to play in a TCS style with a team who are more interested in frag hunting.  I think it was myself and DA on the Terrorist side on Dust 2 and we would call rush on B or long A etc and you would end up with two or maybe three people going the same way and everyone else looking after themselves (non dMw members obviously) <_<

CZ is obviously a better game it's just the fact it's open to the public I don't like.
 :angry:

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If you want to have TCS on CZ then it won't work - not enough folks in the clan have it.  That's why we (I assume?) leave the CZ server public and switch the bots on.

If you want TCS then we'd have to switch off CS, and mandate CZ as the way the community goes.  Unlikely to happen, but it's arguably the right way to go.

Like Benny, I struggle to see the validity of 1.6.  Lets be honest, it's crap once you get into CZ, and a TCS CZ would be pretty awesome.  But there ain't enough on at the same time for a good 5v5 or 6v6, let alone a full dmw population.

Sure, Source will blow it all away, but I'm not prepared to hang around until Christmas for a decent game of Counter-"Whatever".

Personally, I don't play CS at all now unless there's a match - when the call comes for folks to move from CZ to Meat Hook I normally just drop off and do something else.  Once you get into CZ then why on earth would you want to play CS?!?

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 4 2004, 02:32 AM
If you want to have TCS on CZ then it won't work - not enough folks in the clan have it.  That's why we (I assume?) leave the CZ server public and switch the bots on.

If you want TCS then we'd have to switch off CS, and mandate CZ as the way the community goes.  Unlikely to happen, but it's arguably the right way to go.

Like Benny, I struggle to see the validity of 1.6.  Lets be honest, it's crap once you get into CZ, and a TCS CZ would be pretty awesome.  But there ain't enough on at the same time for a good 5v5 or 6v6, let alone a full dmw population.
 

I had an excellent game with 10 dMw peeps on the server with 6 public slots taken.

The CZ server is public as an easy way to meet dMw and get interested in team play and TCS.

TL.

[Maus]

If CZ > CS, then why not consider switching either MH or Homer to CZ, and having one CZ server passworded?

I guess then if y'all wanted to switch to the passworded server one evening but that would mean abandoning a few pubbers you could just tell them all to head to the forums and sign up. Baddabing - a couple of new community members.

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Oh, another issue slowing down my getting of CZ is that I am concerned about how it'll play over my modem. When DoD wnt retail they added something that made it so I couldn't play on servers higher than 4v4 without constant lagouts. It's concievable that something could have been added to CZ (in the extra hossie code, or whathaveyou) that would fubar my game.

I'm not the kind of cheapskate who doesn't want to pay for a game I (sort of) already have, but I am the kind of cheapskate who doesn't want to pay for a game I can't play.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 4 2004, 02:32 AM
Personally, I don't play CS at all now unless there's a match - when the call comes for folks to move from CZ to Meat Hook I normally just drop off and do something else. Once you get into CZ then why on earth would you want to play CS?!?

...and that ladies 'n' germs is part of the prob.  Having both CS and CZ is causing issues as some won't upgrade because they feel that it's giving money to a bunch of w*****s who could have coded most of this into CS (admittedly without the eye candy)  and those who feel CZ is much better and are glad they upgraded.  

Maybe OB and TL need to make a call on this and move the community one way or the other before things split further. I am prepared to wait until Christmas if thats what it takes for CS:Source on HL2 (I assume that's what will happen) or CS:2 if that's what it gets called. However, I am only one member of the community and OB and TL will need to do what is best for the community as a whole.

Over to you guys....

[TeaLeaf]

Issues like this are discussed amongst the Admins on an ongoing basis.  However at the moment we have no firm plans to move from CS to CZ; as said earlier, the idea was for non-dMw peeps to meet and interract with dMw peeps to give them a taste of what is on offer on the TCS servers.  If this causes other problems then we will have to review things.  

The thinking hats have been on for some time now and when a conclusion is reached we will let peeps know.  As alwatys, eveyr member's opinion is valued as it helps us reach an informed decision as to what is best for the whole community.

TL.

[GhostMjr]

Originally posted by Maus@Aug 4 2004, 07:39 AM
Oh, another issue slowing down my getting of CZ is that I am concerned about how it'll play over my modem. When DoD wnt retail they added something that made it so I couldn't play on servers higher than 4v4 without constant lagouts. It's concievable that something could have been added to CZ (in the extra hossie code, or whathaveyou) that would fubar my game.

Cz is much more laggy that cs. This for broadband users aswell! I suggest you wait till you get broadband or suffer the probs with dial up! It does add 30 or mayb 15 to your ping sometimes! but it seems to settling down gradually!

[Benny]

I've changed my mind. I had some good games on MH last night too.....

But whichever monkey above said perhaps 2 CZ servers and one CS....I like that idea.

We never fill the second server anyway..

[Grimnar]

I don't have probs with any lag with cz or cs.

Only it the server is lagging.

But i only have 100k dsl and life in holland 9but most of the time have a better ping on MH then most of the uk peeps around here with a faster connection :narnar:



I have cz for some weeks now and i like it more then cs.
Why: The grapics are better but that doesn't matter to me.
I like the sounds of cz they are much and much better then in cs.

The only thing that i don't like are those bots  they are always walking infront of you or talking to you about stuff you already know or something in that way..

[Moment]

just a thought are you going to swap to cs:source when it comes out? cus its going to blow cs and cz away

and its worth having cz just to play the beta that is released in a few days

[Cadaver]

I've had some good games on the CZ server (last night's for instance), but they aren't a patch on what we get up to on the 'Hook.

I would like to see some TCS games of CZ, as I get wound up playing with pubbers who just don't want to listen to anybody's advice, and bots who are too much of a good shot  .   When that happens I'm more than glad to leave CZ for the 'Hook.  Maybe trialling Homer as a passworded community TCS CZ server (sans bots) for a couple of months could be done as an experiment?  It's rare we have both CS1.6 servers busy anyway.

My opinion on the whole CZ thang...

When I first got in to CS I bought a second-hand copy of Half-Life off eBay for a fiver.  The download of CS1.5 was free, same for Steam and 1.6.  Five quid for 18 months of entertainment for at least three evenings a week is a bargain in anyone's book.  I bought CZ to see what the fuss was about. Initially I felt cheated, dirty even :blush:, but I've grown to like it.  Yes, I think Valve are a bunch of cretins for turning the whole CS thing retail.  However, I only paid £13 for my copy from play.com.  So I'm now down a total of £18 on a game I enjoy a hell of a lot and keep coming back to - big deal.  I've dropped more on single games that have been completed in a fortnight and now gather dust on a shelf, and pished more away on a single night down the pub.

No doubt I'll give evil Valve even more of my hard-earned when HL2 (eventually) comes out.  For that I'll hopefully get a kick-TANGO game, and a version of CS:whatever will probably be bundled in with it.

CZ is better than CS1.6 - period.  The graphics, the hossie behaviour, the sounds, the VC codec.  It'll keep on getting better, and will fill the gap nicely until CS:thingy turns up.