Here we go again.

[Keltor]

donnie's upgrade was much bigger than a rogue going from a 58 dps dagger -> 51 dps sword.
 
now this topic is about teamwork and common sense. so some ppl here think donnie taking this sword is not improving the raid? is there some1 out there who still reckons this was not common sense?
 
jaysus i see test realm and tier 2.5 hunters with a BB, its GOOD for them and the more BB they get, the less chromatically tempered sword they'll take from melee classes (dooms edge in BWL should be their other weap or 1 of the warblade/fang of the faceless/aq dagger i reckon).
 
i rest my case

[Zabard]

TL, I did all what was required by the rules, I got the most DKP of the warriors/rogues and waited my turn. However, when they change the rules on you without telling you, I bet you'd be annoyed too. Anywho, case closed.

[TeaLeaf]

So you didn't have the most DKP then.  You had the most DKP amongst those you inadvertently assumed would be the only classes needing it - you were wrong as someone else thought they needed it *and* had higher DKP - so they did everything according to the rules.  You forgot that others have a right to loot too - no item comes out with your name on it.  We keep saying it - it will drop again, lots, so move on.  Only assume you'll have the choice of taking an item when you are at *the* top of DKP list of all possible users for that item.

I really hope you get the item you want soon, but seriously, when you're not top of the DKP list then don't expect to get it.  Then you'll have a series of pleasant surprises and never be disappointed.


TL.

[Zabard]

I think u're being unfair in the way u judge this TL. We used to have a priority on Warriors and rogues on this, and I was on top of the DKP of those classes on the ones needing it. That priority was remove was not announced, it was talked about doing it, yes, but not announced that it was done. Like I said earlier, other rogues were just as surprised as me.

[TeaLeaf]

Well you probably see it as harsh, but I'm trying to help you recognise that dragging this out is not changing anything.  Whilst it is arguable that the RG2 Commanders did not post anything re their current loot system, they had been using it for some time and it was common practice.  In addition, I doubt you'll find a post announcing the 'old' loot system, but people got used to that too.  

I really am sorry that you did not get 'your' loot, but someone else who also needed the item and had mroe DKP than you did.  Personally I'd leave it at that and move on - there is plenty of loot to go around.  As I said earlier, I've suffered the waits myself when I wanted an Azuresong Mageblade so I do know what it is like to not get loot that you want, but you need to be prepared to queue for it and run with the system that is in use currently.

TL.

[Vargen]

/yawn
 
Rogues, Hunters, Warrios, Pallies and Druids can all benefit from the same stats. DKP defines the 'queue' for loot by effort put in.
 
The work of an ML is giving something to one person, that the rest didn't get. I think I have never heard someone ever say to someone being ML; "Great job on ML" or "Good call on that one. Was a hard one".
 
I must say, feedback on the loot system is allways good, but don't assume it isn't thought through and debated before. I myself try to be diplomatic and check around a bit what would benefit this and who would be angry with that. But I also need to be quick, as if loot is slow it holds back 30+ ppl that want to move on usually. You can talk all you want of priority, and I will pretend to care, and then say NO at the end. I wanted priority removed to put some of the 'heat' on the members themselves rather then it allways beeing the ML getting the cold buckets and the steaming flames.
 
Bottom line on this particular issue:
If I still see a Rogue using Brutality blade when RG2 kills C'tun, I WILL admit it is a equally good blade for a rogue... Maybe

[Yrthal]

haha let us finish BWL firs before talking of c'tun

[Adularena]

For the record - the hunter in question is me.
 
I know rogues need the same things - but i simple cannot understand why hunters are not allowed to roll for things like this - or why we always has to be the last to get it!
 
DonnieKingo!!!

I think it is a ok wepon for a hunter. After all, if you have less DKP, then you should be VERY GLAD if you GET it, but you cant be mad if you DONT GET IT.
 
But ofc, looking away from the stats, it is a good rogue sword.
 
I think I`ll say that Rogues should use daggers

[Nefrion]

IMO rogues have no use of swords untill they reach a far point in BWL. Daggers ftw :biggrin:

[Menedil]

IMO rogues have no use of swords untill they reach a far point in BWL. Daggers ftw :biggrin:

combat daggers w/ slice&dice IS by far the best rogue build for boss fights, at any gear lvl above tier 0

[Neff]

mm, CTS & Nightmare blade / maladth.

Meh, Perd blade + Brut.blade is the "best", right?

[Menedil]

mm, CTS & Nightmare blade / maladth.

Meh, Perd blade + Brut.blade is the "best", right?

nope!!

[Neff]

Enlighten me then you tit!

[Soulbringerx]

L2Read Neff!!