HEROIC - Baleroc - DEFEATED 06/11/11

[hubbah]

Still not sure why we trying to 2 heal this but ok.
From my point of view we can eazy kill it with 3 healers and avoiding the ( like niel so awsomely said ) "cockups".
I died twice while soaking crystals in the kill ( to max 13 stacks ) and incidia / gnome died far before the enrage timer as well.
Thats Alot of dps your missing and it would let us kill the boss eazy before the enrage timer.

I would say instead of changing the tactic we should finetune the one we have now. I know it would take a pretty good group due to dps requirments but we should be able to do it.. Dragon soul is around the corner and will require more dps then this..

[TeaLeaf]

From my point of view we can eazy kill it with 3 healers

I think to understand why we tried 2 healing the fight you need to review the word 'eazy'.  Eazy it has not been.  We've singularly failed to re-kill Baleroc with a 3 healer approach, regularly hitting the enrage with not enough DPS having been done to kill the boss.  So it is the lesser of two evils and Council wanted to establish whether or not the healing was solid enough to handle a 2 heal approach which would mitigate any dps risks.  Two healing it is more normal than our 3 healer approach, just for the record and I think we can do it, but it is a slightly different emphasis than we have had to date.

Bottom line is that if we 3 heal it we theoretically avoid more deaths, but we place a very much greater strain on the DPS and we all need to hit mid-twenty-k dps.  Last night we hit 160k rdps (cf 166k rdps on our first kill), with our average well over as you can see from the below table. Torgen's DPSe is showing lower as he died mid-fight.  (so much for 3 healers being safer, he died due to lack of healing whilst he soaked a crystal! ).

Name|DPS|DPS(e)   
Grimréápér| 27851.3|   27302.1
Teaell|        26371.9|   26022.0   
Grimnar|   25605.2|   25311.2
Hubbah|     23273.6|   22595.4   
Incéndia|     23676.7|   20150.6
Torgen|   26877.7|   19865.3
This achieved the kill 12 seconds after the enrage.  If we can deliver these or higher levels of dps each week then we continue to 3 heal it, but having spent what seems like an age trying to re-kill Baleroc and failing due to insufficient dps we thought it was worth trying the more normal 2-heal approach.

[hubbah]

Ok, thats clear i understand why we switched to 2 man healing now.

Let me explain the "eazy" part in my first post.

If none of the dps died that we had in yesterday and we would have killed it well before the enrage timer.
I was around Grim's dps the whole first part of the fight just up to where i died the first time, after that i still was around 3rd place and then died again.
Just this is a dps loss of like 2 million, Torgen & incidia ( 3 million ) died as well resulting in alot more dps lost, due to this we had less soakers and people needing to move more often.. resulting in more dps loss. ( see the try before the kill and check me and torgen. )

All im trying to say is that without people dieing on soaking crystals this is a kill within our reach every week without having to stretch to healers to the absolute max

[Grimnar]

We had a chat about our dps, and yesterday was the first time for us to try out our new rotations during a raid.

Torgen and myself where both getting used to a new rotation and both had an dps increase.

[TeaLeaf]

Torgen and myself where both getting used to a new rotation and both had an dps increase.

That's excellent news, we need the DPS to carry us through heroics and T13 content, so the numbers we saw last night are where we need to be.  Great to hear new rotations are bringing more to the party! :thumbsup:

[Azunai]

Have to say I'm not feeling that comfortable with the new rotation yet and it wasn't always optimal - was ragestarved a lot since I keep hitting that too tempting Heroic Strike button. Combined with feeling inconfident with execution of tactics (this was my first HC Baleroc attempt of any serious length), I was a little tense last night. If my dps was an increase from before, I couldn't tell, as I don't have reliable numbers for Baleroc HC. I have to say I was aiming for more than the 26k I did to be frank ;-)