HEROIC - Baleroc - DEFEATED 06/11/11

TeaLeaf · September 16, 2011, 02:46:04 PM

This one is going to hurt!

TeaLeaf · October 18, 2011, 09:36:29 PM

With HC Domo down, we are doing HC Alysrazor next and then this one, HC Baleroc. Please review & learn prior for this coming reset.

JonnyAppleSeed · October 19, 2011, 05:18:22 PM

This looks fun .. Countdown I expect can fiddle with healers.

Ranualf · October 19, 2011, 06:22:01 PM

you aint getting them fiddly fingers nowhere near me.. i`ve seen what you druids do when its night time in the forest.. oh yes... and oh not its not for me...

TeaLeaf · October 20, 2011, 12:25:59 PM

1 tank
2 healers
7 dps

If we all maange to do 30-35k dps then we drop to 6 dps & 3 healers.

Key points;
All abilities of the Normal fight but in addition:

The crystal debuff now spreads or refreshes your debuff if you come within 3-4 yds of another player.
-this means we will be spread out rather than grouped.

There is 'blood link' ability much like Blood Queen Lanathel in ICC
-simply run towards each other to remove the link
-healers need to be aware if one healer gets linked with someone who has the debuff and help out
-if both healers get debuffed then it's dodge trinket & CD time and hope for the best

Crystals will be a 2 person rotation instead of 3 per crystal
-this means we stack to a minimum of 13 before stepping out

TeaLeaf · October 24, 2011, 11:31:52 AM

Reviewing the couple of pulls last night:

Vital Spark build up seemed poor, so let's revert to a single person for first spark to assist Vital Spark stacks.

Shadow Priest can take first spark up to 19 stacks, then Dispersion the rest. (25 stacks per crystal so Vital Spark stacks should be way high at end of that phase)

Thinking some more now, think we need to adjust positions and better define where we move to with/without debuff. Still need a clear area for removing link and for debuffed players to stand. Will post more once brain kicked into gear.

Ranualf · October 24, 2011, 12:04:43 PM

healing wise it was pretty stable- to start with

i found the biggest problem was when we(the healer camp) have to switch between tank and "target"

the target is random, so we cant pre-heal, or prempt where its going to land...

biggest problem with this is, the healer who is "on raid" is needing this time to build up stacks(giving bigger heals), and cant go back to the tank- as it borks up any form of rotation

secondly- mana- we used a massive chunk of it !
puja was oom before the call for mana was issued- and i was on about 20%

and this was early into the fight- solution... more mana ?

TeaLeaf · October 24, 2011, 12:28:22 PM

Mana will get better with more stacks on you as you have to cast less often to do the same amount of healing. Stack counts were very low on the logs, so you were probably casting way more than needed.

TeaLeaf · October 24, 2011, 01:59:07 PM

I'm finding quite a few logs where this has been 3 healed now since the nerf. Might be worth a try.

Ranualf · October 24, 2011, 04:19:01 PM

3 heals would take a lot of pressure off

however iw we can 2 man it, it`ll be very interesting

TeaLeaf · November 02, 2011, 08:18:47 AM

We started to find a rythm for this last night and made some good progress with the best try being something like Bal@40%. We're more or less on track with the dps too which is encouraging with 3 healers.

Initial soaking was found to be too difficult with 3 solo soakers when the soak healers swapped after the first soak. We moved to solo tank healing for a longer period (Jas) so that we could dual heal just two solo soakers (TL & Grimnar) instead of the previously intended three.

Biggest issue is still being aware of who has to take the next crystal and then transitioning to the next person (2 soakers per crystal) at the right time. Too often we had people without the buff just ignoring the person on the crystal being killed. We need to pay more attention and get this under control by being more aware of the soak dynamics. Once we handle this aspect, we're done on this fight as it was the thing that screwed us over each time.

Grimnar · November 02, 2011, 08:51:06 AM

I have just one thing i sort of worry about. It is the time that i am soaking the full crystal (second crystal that spawns) I am in bearform at that time with a full rage bar the whole time and their also comes the problem i noticed yesterday. I am a big dps loss at that time in bear but doing a bear/tank rotation or how you want to call it aint a real option either as what i noticed yesterday.

I stayed away from the heavy hitters that you have in bearform as i was speeding up the threat meter and if i stayed attacking i would have agro'ed the boss for certain. (yes that is the down side of the other tanks compared to a druid tank, same problem we noticed after the patch with dk's versus pally's.)

So should i stay being a dps loss or take the change about the agro and hoping the other tank notice the rise and starts taunting for that time that i am in bear??

TeaLeaf · November 02, 2011, 09:39:25 AM

You build your threat to the max whilst in bear form, without stealing aggro. As we said last night, Whytee did not see any threat issues so I am guessing there is reasonable head room there to allow you to do dps in bear form whilst soaking. It's down to you to monitor your threat though as we can't have the boss pulled inadvertently whilst you are soaking!

Twyst · November 02, 2011, 10:42:43 AM

Quote from: Ice Hawk;336143I stayed away from the heavy hitters that you have in bearform as i was speeding up the threat meter and if i stayed attacking i would have agro'ed the boss for certain. (yes that is the down side of the other tanks compared to a druid tank, same problem we noticed after the patch with dk's versus pally's.)

Just keep your aggro below 90%. If I can do it for the fully Raggy fight (bar the sons - ahhhhh, no agro to pay attention to for a bit) then you can watch your agro here.

QuoteSo should i stay being a dps loss or take the change about the agro and hoping the other tank notice the rise and starts taunting for that time that i am in bear??

If you're asked to go bear then I wouldn't view it as a DPS loss but as a survivability gain

For the benefit of myself, why were you in bear form? I assume it's to make the healers job easier slighty when you're soaking torment from a crystal?

Azunai · November 02, 2011, 10:57:54 AM

Yarp it provides cooldowns and survivability boost to be able to soak a full crystal, only happens at the start. Soaking a full crystal means you get a good deal of stacks of the debuff, which hurts a lot but also gives healers increasingly more of their boost thing every time they heal you. So if you do it at the start, it sets the healers up nicely for the rest of the fight.