HEROIC - Baleroc - DEFEATED 06/11/11

[hubbah]

Teaell,

Maybe you can add this data to it as well:

Baleroc 10H Try 1 (06:22) -> enrage.
Baleroc 10H Try 2 (02:56)
Baleroc 10H Try 3 (01:07)
Baleroc 10H Try 4 (04:56)
Baleroc 10H Try 5 (06:22) -> enrage.
Baleroc 10H Try 6 (03:21)
Baleroc 10H Try 7 (02:08)
Baleroc 10H Try 8 (04:30)
Baleroc 10H Try 9 (06:21) -> enrage.

[TeaLeaf]

I looked at things from my shadow priest perspective and comparing Try 5 (our highest dps enrage try) with the first kill logs I see:

We had no Int Buff (6% spell damage lost across the raid which is equivalent to 1.55m damage or an additional 4.05k rdps).  So my 25.038k dps could have been 26.54k dps if I had been int buffed.

Where did the rest of our dps go?

Volcanic Potion use (spell casters):
Teaell    11
Jesung 9
Sheepat 6
(typical expected is # of tries + number of enrage = 9+3 = 12: this is pre-pot + one towards end of fight)

Tol'vir Potion use (melee & hunters):
Noréia   8
Hubbah   8
Grimnar   5
(typical expected is # of tries + number of enrage = 9+3 = 12: this is pre-pot + one towards end of fight)

That's a lot of missing dps from not pre-potting, then using another towards the end of the fight.

@Hubbah, I could have, but tbh the dps numbers are pretty much alike across all the tries so I decided not to bother.  The logs show time length and I used DPSe for the numbers anyway.

[Azunai]

Handy to have a buffbot outside for fights like these perhaps? To chuck us that int if we don't have a mage in the kill team?

[Grimnar]

Tol'vir Potion use (melee & hunters):
Grimnar    5

This one i can easy answer:  

I think looking at the numbers that i am the only one that uses his second potion alot later then anyone else.
My fight on the potion point of view:

I pre-pot and run in with the benefit of heroism, after that i wait for my berserk to come off cooldown again. That means that my second potion will be used sort of at the end of the fight. This ment that yesterday with the tries that we had that we whiped before it was my time to use beserk and the potion again.

[Slush]

We need everyone to look at their dps rotations, their gear, gemming, enchants, pots and work out where to squeeze more dps out of the fight please, particularly those at the lower end of the dps range.

You are wrong.

Incendia and Grimreaper went out. (did a total of 50k dps on the kill)
Noreia and Sheeper came in. (did a total of 37.5k on EVERY enrage wipe on sunday and tuesday)

TL, Hubbah, Jesung and Grimnar did their part. Hal did 2k less than Whytee did on kill, but thats a non-issue.

No, No... I will seriously not agree with the "EVERYONE needs to turn every stone"-philosophy here. This is a burn boss. This is not anything but a dps-check.
Fix it, or do not join for this raidencounter. Simple. Dont expect TL and Hubbah for making up for i.e. Noreias lack of dps. Thats just wrong!

[hubbah]

Ok.

Well from my hunter POV.

Ill take try 6 as well seeing TL made his comparison on that one.
Like i was trying to say this does not reflect anything because im comparing a 3:30 fight with a 6 min one ( i can use 50% of the cooldowns / etc / dots do more dmg over time / aimed shot does less dmg etc etc ).

but here we go.

On the kill i had an uptime of Serpent sting of 79.9% and on the wipe i had an uptime of 99.2% so a big increase in DPS.
Even on the uptime of my piercing shots i went from 83.2% to 90.1% and there a big increase as well.

I did have to move alot more due to the mistakes that were made so abit less dmg on my steady shots & aimed shots.
As far as i can tell i was not missing any important buffs.

All with all a dps increase of approx 600 DPS(e)

[TeaLeaf]

Ill take try 6 as well seeing TL made his comparison on that one.

Typo was edited to 5 before you post, Try 5 was what I worked with - an enrage try.

[TeaLeaf]

Handy to have a buffbot outside for fights like these perhaps? To chuck us that int if we don't have a mage in the kill team?

Buffbots no longer work.  Changed in a patch about a year or more ago.

[hubbah]

Ok.

droped 1.4k dps(e) and thats for 30% due to unlucky procs with flaming arrow and less piercing shots ( RNG ).
And for 70% due to less chim shots, probably due to moving around alot ( less focus ).

This is the reply on your comment TL

[Azunai]

Ah. This is where I play the "Don't blame me I've been on a break" card ;-)

[hubbah]

So, all in all.
More dps, less mistakes and lets kill it thursday so we have sunday & half of teusday for beth..

[Noréia]

Yeah I know, my dps sucks, Slush! Sorry for that! Movement takes away a lot of dps from an enhanced shaman, I have no instant jump spells to cover larger distances.
Ofc I am out of melee through movement because my fast form is the wolf! In three of the trials I ran all the way back to the ranged who did not move at all/very much when we were linked.
Two times I got debuffed by the linked person, and when I noticed, I had already passed two clean players and debuffed them! Ofc, my fault!

I tried my very best and if that was not enough than replace me! Maybe I am not such an excemptional player as others in RGT.

So thanks guys for putting up with me and sorry for the spoiled evening!

[Slush]

Yeah I know, my dps sucks, Slush! Sorry for that! Movement takes away a lot of dps from an enhanced shaman, I have no instant jump spells to cover larger distances.

This is one of the fights where we dont have to move constantly. Nothing to be sorry about, just fix it. If you are having trouble fixing it by yourself.. Get help. If you cant fix it after u got help. Dont sign up for this boss.

Ofc I am out of melee through movement because my fast form is the wolf! In three of the trials I ran all the way back to the ranged who did not move at all/very much when we were linked.
Two times I got debuffed by the linked person, and when I noticed, I had already passed two clean players and debuffed them! Ofc, my fault!

Figure out why you got debuffed. If it wasnt your fault, it doesnt matter. You being debuffed does not give you dps decrease.

I tried my very best and if that was not enough than replace me! Maybe I am not such an excemptional player as others in RGT.

Well, this is entirely up to officers. But both you and sheepy should seriously consider if you are good enough for these fights if you are unable to make 22k+ dps. Anything less is being carried (This is entirely my opinion, no officers opinion).

So thanks guys for putting up with me and sorry for the spoiled evening!

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You gotta watch some videos mate, seeing you get killed all the time on Ragnaros Phase 3 makes me wonder if you understand the mechanics. You Ankh and you get battleressed.. You still die. Im (and this is still my opinion) thinking that you're spending NO time gettting updated on mechanics, and that you expect to be spoonfed the info over and over. And if you couldn't tell... Yes, im frustrated. Really frustrated about this... I raid 6-7 hours a week and progression is currently close to zero.. 6-7 hours is all I have, when TL AGAIN goes over the tactics for a fight to help you understand.. Im tapping my fingers. And Im starting to tap too hard. And too often... And yes, Im deeply frustrated.

[Noréia]

Well! Guess I should not join heroic raids anymore! After about a dozen first kills with RGT in which I ofc always had to be carried through!

Everything said, Slush!

[Slush]

Thats not the way to respond to a teammates critisism.

If you now told me:
-You do spend atelast 10 minutes on Mr. Robot, Training Dummies, on reading up on roatations, preffered talents and glyphes every week.
-You do read boss tactics before a fight.
-How to react when a meteor is fixated on you.
-TL does not spoonfeed boss you tactics every raid.

I would have told you "Well, so I am wrong, not the first time".

But you didnt...