Ninja Freak

[TeaLeaf]

TL is looking into at the moment and has been composing a reply to this thread for the last 25 minutes.  Give me a few more mins.

TL.

[TeaLeaf]

Ok, I've brought myself up to speed on this on would make the following comments:

OT:  Yes, Duvel had several of "TL's world famous 'get your sh*t together' PMs".

Back on Topic:

Originally posted by Membership Standards"+-->

QUOTE(Membership Standards")

Language & Behaviour
Members should maintain a professional level of conduct at all times. Please keep your language and behaviour both in the forums and on the servers at that same level. [/b]

Originally posted by Player Standards+-->

QUOTE(Player Standards)

4. Language
All players should hold a professional level of conduct at all time. Please keep your language in the forums and on the server at a professional and mature level. Play as though you are an example for other players and set a good one. New players will often follow examples set by veteran players, good OR bad. [/b]

We all tolerate a degree of variance in 'language' from time to time, particularly at LANs, but it seems NF upped the ante (the 'c' word in particular is offensive to many and was probably the straw that broke the camel's back) and went a bit too far this time.  

Put simply, it is fairly clear that NF did not adhere to these standards.  I don't believe there is a defence to this point.  So, he broke Membership Standards and Admin action was justified.  

Next point: Was the Admin action appropriate and did it follow Admin Standards?

[Doorman]

Sounds fair. I get the feeling that NF KNEW he was out of order but needed to 'bluster'. Human nature eh? Nothing like it
Still, it keeps the pot boiling and made for an interesting interlude.  :dmw:  :dmw:  :dmw:

[Anonymous]

I've had a PM from NF. I have copied TL in reply.

[TeaLeaf]

And I've acknowledged receipt to him.

BB any thoughts on my above post?

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For the record:

Re-reading my above post I am not sure this point comes across entirely clearly, so I have PM'd Oldie to say so and will point it out now for the record:

I feel Oldie's action was totally justified given NF's action.

We need to re-write the rules to give us as Admins the support necessary when we take such action.  We're a mature gaming community with responsible Admins and we don't need someone trying to use a technicality in the rules to argue against action we have taken.  I have been meanign to take a look at this for a while (along with the re-wording of the website etc) and just haven;t had time to do it.  I will move the job a little further up my WIP list and try to get around to it in the next month or so.

TL.

[Anonymous]

No, TL, I think you make, as usual, good accurate points. I am disappointed that NF felt that I was having a go at him because of "previous" differences of opinion - I consider myself above that.

His first post on this subject showed a lot about his character and if he didn't want all this aired publicly why not just PM oldie and deal with it that way? I agree with Ron, I think there is an element of bluster coupled with a tendency to be bullish <- my perception of him.

[TeaLeaf]

I'll give this 24 hours and then if nobody is in disagreement I will act on the above basis.

TL.

[Anonymous]

I suppose one point that could be made to NF is that at no point did he ask how long the ban was for but that we were also incorrect in not informing him that it was for 24 hours.

May also be worth PMing him to let him know he will get a response in 24 hours. (TL copied in my reply to NFs reply. I let NF know that TL would try to respond in 24 hrs.)

[TeaLeaf]

Read this after my PM to you BB.

TL.

[Vincentvega]

I agree with that.....A good outcome for all concerned

[smite]

I was going to reply to this when i first read it by saying "Nice one TL seems fair to me".
After reading parts 1, 2 and 3 of his disputes i don't personally want anything to do with him. He is an arrogant ass who does not deserve to wear the dMw tag.

All that i read was a pathetic attitude to authority, be it as little as any dMw admin applies. He had the option of taking it up with Oldie but decided to make threats about new members ....pathetic.

Kick him out and good riddance.

Harsh? Read his posts again.

[Doorman]

He's not doing himself any favours is he? My old mum used to say "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!"

[Anonymous]

I am not going to reply to Ninja's post in the main forum. it will not add anything and he is just pushing for the sake of pushing. His language was out of order. He was lucky I am not yet familiar enough with BF2 rcon to have kicked him from the comamnd line. What he is trying to achieve here I don't know as TL gave him the right to reply (which I have no problem with) and he hasn't posted anything other than the private posts he sent to me saying that he didnt remember saying those things. How could he forget? So, in short I will not reply to NFs latest post unless it starts being skewed to reflect things in a light that doesn't reflect what actually happened. he swore when I TKd him, he now denies doing it. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by Doorman@Dec 6 2005, 11:24 PM
He's not doing himself any favours is he? My old mum used to say "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!"

[post=104234]Quoted post[/post]

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There seems to be a lot of "smoke and mirrors" coming from NF. He is trying hard to deflect the issue from the fact that his behaviour was unacceptable to the fact that the admins have "the knives out" (his words not mine). i guess therefore there are two answers required to him.

[Doorman]

A thought.  :lightbulb:  Are there server logs for the night in question?