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#30
December 07, 2005, 04:01:48 PM
The way i see it is that yes he swore and made a mistake, anyone of us would hold our hands up and say "sorry for that i had to much to drink and didnt realise fully what i was doing...it wont happen again" etc....  But he has turned it all on Oldie as some type of vendetta. Now i have known Oldie enough to know that he is nowhere near like the person being portrayed and quite frankly it pisses me off.

What does he contribute to even start making these accusations?

Does he or has he ever played matches as a charlie? Not that i have seen.

Does he push dMw's teamwork and attitude? Not that i have ever seen.

Or does he just like to come on when he likes and generally do what the hell he choses?

This is not what a dMw charlie or even bravo member should be doing or thinking of doing. Again get rid of bad rubbish. We are often to soft and the time where we actually get strong on something should not be up for debate.

TeaLeaf

#31
December 09, 2005, 12:24:26 PM
Please can someone confirm that his ban from the BF2 server is now lifted (i.e. it was a 24 hour ban)?

Thanks.

I'm typing my summary right now - but it will be edited here until it has *FINAL* written at the top as I'm having to do this between other jobs.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

Anonymous

#32
December 09, 2005, 12:42:46 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Dec 9 2005, 12:24 PM
Please can someone confirm that his ban from the BF2 server is now lifted (i.e. it was a 24 hour ban)?

Thanks.

I'm typing my summary right now - but it will be edited here until it has *FINAL* written at the top as I'm having to do this between other jobs.

TL.
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Can't check server from here but I'll be home in an hour or so so I'll check through BF2CC then and if he is still banned will lift the ban in accordance with admin standards unless someone posts here to tell me differently.

TeaLeaf

#33
December 09, 2005, 01:29:22 PM
Thanks BB.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

TeaLeaf

#34
December 09, 2005, 02:08:58 PM
*****************************************************
***********************DRAFT************************
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************AWAITING RESPONSE FROM ARMITAGE********
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On 5th December at 10.29pm I received a complaint from Ninja_Freak about Oldbloke, alledging buse of his authority as an admin on the BF2 server.  I have reviewed the following information in reaching my conclusion:

•   Correspondence to me from Ninja_Freak
•   Information posted in the Admin Forums
•   Correspondence from BlueBall
•   Correspondence from Armitage (as requested by Ninja_Freak)
•   Information in three threads posted in the public BF2 section of the dMw forums

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The events are as follows:

4/12 22:02 Oldbloke posted to the Admin section details of a kick and ban from the BF2 server applied to Ninja_Freak  Other comments added another Admin at 22:19.
4/12 23:21 Ninja_Freak made an initial post to the forums asking why he had been kicked from the BF2 server.
4/12 23:53 Initial forum thread closed by Oldbloke.
5/12 22:17 Second thread posted by Ninja_Freak.
5/12 23:22 Second thread closed by Oldbloke.
5/12 23:47 Third thread posted by Ninja_Freak.
6/12 00:07 Third thread closed by Oldbloke.
6/12 13:53 Ninja_Freak requested removal of BlueBall’s additional posts (using his Admin powers) to the then closed threads.

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It is clear from the above that after the initial incident on the BF2 server on 4/12 a lot happened when Ninja read Oldbloke’s response on 5/12.  In less than 2 hours on 5/12 two new threads were opened, two were closed and I received the formal complaint.

Areas considered:
Potential abuse of Admins powers by Oldbloke
Action by Ninja_Freak

Leading up to the ban:
Ninja_Freak has stated that whilst playing BF2 and he typed swear words into general chat and received an automated Server warning for swearing.  He has confirmed his response as "I will not stop swearing you cun$” (using the $ and not the T) but stated that the response was meant to be a joke.
Separate Admin reports have confirmed that Ninja was also swearing over voice comms that same evening.

The Ban:
Oldbloke issued the kick and ban from the BF2 server in response to the typed "I will not stop swearing you cun$” comment.

Findings:

Did Ninja_Freak’s behaviour on the from the BF2 server warrant Admin action?

 
QuoteOriginally posted by Membership Standards"+-->
QUOTE(Membership Standards")
Language & Behaviour
Members should maintain a professional level of conduct at all times. Please keep your language and behaviour both in the forums and on the servers at that same level. [/b]
QuoteOriginally posted by Player Standards+-->
QUOTE(Player Standards)
4. Language
All players should hold a professional level of conduct at all time. Please keep your language in the forums and on the server at a professional and mature level. Play as though you are an example for other players and set a good one. New players will often follow examples set by veteran players, good OR bad. [/b]

We all tolerate a degree of variance in 'language' from time to time, but an Admin had already been upset by the degree of swearing exhibited early in the evening to the point of intending to send a PM to Ninja_Freak to ask for some moderation of the language used.  This was superceded by reading Oldbloke’s post to the Admins and the Admin concerned added their comments to the Admin thread.  I would suggest that whilst frustration with the language was already raised by voice comms comments, the ante was upped by use of the 'c' word.  This is offensive to many and was the straw that broke the camel's back.

•   Yes, Ninja_Freak’s reported swearing via voice comms and typed response warranted Admin action.  Reference: Membership and Player Standards.

Was the Admin kick and ban from the BF2 server action appropriate and did it follow Admin Standards?

TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

Anonymous

#35
December 09, 2005, 02:40:10 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Dec 9 2005, 12:42 PM
Can't check server from here but I'll be home in an hour or so so I'll check through BF2CC then and if he is still banned will lift the ban in accordance with admin standards unless someone posts here to tell me differently.
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Checked via BF2CC and there are currently no bans in existence on the server at all!? Unless I'm reading it wrong but I did a banlist refresh and it comes up clean.

Nice work on the wording by the way - top quality stuff. I would maybe make clearer that it was a ban from the server that was applied and not a ban from dMw as he seemed to be trying to overegg this point (unless I read things wrongly which happens)

TeaLeaf

#36
December 09, 2005, 04:07:39 PM
A few "from the BF2 server" references have been added.  

I will wait for an Armitage response before posting this to Ninja_Freak.

It is then down to Admins to debate whether within the rules as they are a demotion from dMw or an ejection is necessary.  A vote may be necessary for further action.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

OldBloke

#37
December 09, 2005, 06:35:01 PM
Nice work Paul. Very professional.

I would, however, like to bring to the fore the way NF reacted to his ban and, in particular, his attack on my integrity. He appears to have taken an 'attack is the best form of defence' stance against his banning and his very public questioning of my impartiality went too far in my opinion. He has shown no remorse or apologised for his actions which he appears to still be in denial over.

I will not comment any further as I now feel it best that I let the admins take this to it's conclusion. I will, of course, accept any ruling arrived at.
"War without end. Well, what was history if not that? And how would having the stars change anything?" - James S. A. Corey

TeaLeaf

#38
December 09, 2005, 07:06:54 PM
Fair point, I'll work something in that isn;t too personal that doesn;t make it too personal.

My intention is to post it to him and to the forums.   That ok?

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

Anonymous

#39
December 09, 2005, 07:11:21 PM
How about post it to himn and say that it will be posted to the forums in 24 hours. Gives him a shout at a reply if he feels the need - I know he went public first but lets appear above that. I def think it has to go in the forums though.

TeaLeaf

#40
December 09, 2005, 07:15:27 PM
K, I'll do that BB - I've edited in the apology/defamation bit.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

smite

#41
December 09, 2005, 07:26:58 PM
Nice post Paul.
Covers all of the rules that were put in place to protect both parties but i agree that NF still doesnt seem to have any remorse for the fact he swore or behaved like what he is "A loud mouthed over oppinionated prick."

I feel VERY strongly about this and how it's going to turn out. If it were left in my hands he would have been kicked out at his "pt 3". Luckily i don't have that power.

Back in the old days of "dont piss about or your out" it was decided that the rules would be set-up to give both the members and admins a guide..... i think in this case the guide has been truly thrown back in either oldies or the admins faces and the person who has done it is not what any of us would call a true dMw thinking member.

Do these people realise what the likes of TL, Oldie, Blueball etc do on a day to day basis, for free, in there own time to maintain the integrity of what this clan represents?
I hold my hat off to you guys for what you do. But please stick up for what you do by standing up to him.

smite

#42
December 09, 2005, 07:29:08 PM
Damn i take to long to post ;)

Squonk

#43
December 09, 2005, 09:22:19 PM
yup good work Paul! and a nice post there Smite wish i could post a post like that..

so here goes..............

QuoteBack in the old days of "dont piss about or your out" it was decided that the rules would be set-up to give both the members and admins a guide..... i think in this case the guide has been truly thrown back in either oldies or the admins faces and the person who has done it is not what any of us would call a true dMw thinking member.

Do these people realise what the likes of TL, Oldie, Blueball etc do on a day to day basis, for free, in there own time to maintain the integrity of what this clan represents?
I hold my hat off to you guys for what you do. But please stick up for what you do by standing up to him.

 wot he said  :withstupid:
Me,I\'m just a lawnmower - you can tell me by the way I walk.

Anonymous

#44
December 10, 2005, 08:22:13 AM
Sorry to hit you with this one at the last moment TL but I think there is a third point we need to address. NF also complained that I abused my admin powers by replying to a closed thread. As there is no specific guidance on this I guess we need a consensus. I did it to give the community a more complete picture of what had happened in the evening (given that NF had made everything so public). However, we probably need to draw up some guidance for everybody (admins and moderators. How about:

"If an admin/moderator sees the need to reply to a closed thread he will do so via PMs to parties concerned unless it has been discussed in the admin forum and felt that it is in the best interests of the community, or an individual, that the thread be re-opened or replied to"

As I said, I forgot about this aspect but we'd better address all issues.
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