Ninja Freak

OldBloke · December 04, 2005, 09:02:05 PM

NF asked to curb his swearing on BF2 server.

His reply (typed) "No I wont curb my language ffs you cun$"

BANNED.

Anonymous · December 04, 2005, 09:19:45 PM

I'm glad. I was going to PM him to ask him to stop swearing so much but this saves me the bother. I said when he applied that there was something I didn't like about him. Oh well.

Is he going to keep his Charlie status? I would like to think not but we are a community so what are peoples opinions?

Squonk · December 04, 2005, 09:42:20 PM

QuoteBANNED.

good

QuoteIs he going to keep his Charlie status? I would like to think not

I totaly agree but we didnt in this case
http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5043

so one rule for one ?

on a side note ive meet NF a few times and i find him not a bad bloke in RL tbh but we really dont need peeps on our servers and within the group that act that way
my 2 1/2p

Anonymous · December 04, 2005, 10:14:18 PM

Not sure if it is the same thing. DuVeL was swearing but the problem is nobody asked him to stop. NF was swearing and, when asked to stop by one of the 2 most senior/experienced(/pensionable?

) people in the clan, just told them where to go. Dunno, difficult but to me seems to be a different case. Each on its own merits?

Squonk · December 04, 2005, 10:30:42 PM

I hear what you saying but in my mind it is one of the same ...in the other case Ron was the one on the end of the swearing/abbusive behaviour Ron is a well respected member within this group so wheres the diffrence? (and i think you will find Ron did ask him to stop).. I say kick them all out we dont need that sort here!!

If peeps dont repsect other member wheather they are OB/TL/DM stryker or even Ghost Major get rid of em...the point i was making was we didnt in the other case

But yeah kick him out for me as we dont need that sort of pearson here, but then looking at the other case the other member should have gone too

Doorman · December 04, 2005, 10:41:20 PM

NF's swearing is legendary. Especially at the LAN, but I've never heard him go too far over the top online previously. Rather that BAN an otherwise good member, one of TL's world famous 'get your sh*t together' PMs would be on the cards.
I'm not a witness for the defence or prosecution, just my 2p.
I theng yew.

Vincentvega · December 04, 2005, 11:05:18 PM

Did we ,sorry TL send Duval one of those "get ya sh*t together PM's" when he was on one ..i was a witness to that nights offering admitted he was drunk but i must correct whoever said "nobody asked / told Duval to stop....I did Madness did iam sure someone else did....I like Duval....most of the time....I didnt witness NF's outburst so i cant coment, If it was bad and directing it towards Admin when told to stop..i dont know.... a warning may prompt him to leave anyhow...... :unsure:

Doorman · December 04, 2005, 11:44:01 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Vincentvega@Dec 4 2005, 11:05 PM
..i was a witness to that nights offering admitted he was drunk but i must correct whoever said "nobody asked / told Duval to stop....I did Madness did iam sure someone else did....
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I did, in no uncertain terms.

Vincentvega · December 05, 2005, 12:39:21 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@Dec 4 2005, 11:44 PM
I did, in no uncertain terms.
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thought so.......

Anonymous · December 05, 2005, 09:12:10 AM

fairy nuff then I'll go with the flow. Although, his post about why he couldn't get on the server showed his normal aggressive style <_<

Dr Sadako · December 05, 2005, 10:02:10 PM

I am with you all on what you are saying but according to the rules:

Quote5. Warnings
Warnings must be given before ANY other form of punishment for ANY Member who is violating the TCS rules or guidelines. Warnings should not be given without FULL understanding of the events that occurred. You must personally have VISUAL confirmation that a rule has been violated or proper conduct has not been followed before a punishment is issued. If possible, have another Admin confirm the event before issuing a warning. Warnings must be given onscreen for all Members to see.

6. Member Kicks
In order for a Member to be kicked they MUST have been given first and second warnings as outlined in point 5. When a Member is kicked, the Admin MUST follow up with a post in the Admins forums under a topic named after the Member. If an existing topic exists, append the new kick information to that topic. This will allow all Admins to understand what is happening with each of the Members. The follow-up post may be done when you are finished playing and does not need to be done immediately. These posts should not be based on personal judgements, merely the facts that led up to the kick. The exception to this is when it is necessary to kick an AFK Member in which case no forum post is necessary.

7. Member Bans
In order for a Member to be banned, they must have a history of rules violations. In-game bans should NEVER be issued for more than 24 hours (1440 minutes) on any Member. Any bans put in place longer than that must be voted upon by all Admins. A Member who has been kicked from the server and immediately returns to the server must be advised of the reason for being kicked. If they then start adhering to the TCS rules and guidelines then no further action will be taken. If they resume their poor play or become abusive then they should be banned for 24 hours and kicked from the server immediately. Bans may be applied immediately for any Member who is CONFIRMED with cheats on their system. Confirmation consists ONLY of a message displayed by the currently operating Anti-Cheat software or Member actions confirmed IN-GAME by at least two Admins. All Bans issued must be recorded in the appropriate section of the Admins Forum.

I wasn't on the server so it is difficult for me to say if the admin standards were followed. Clearly the membership standards weren't.

OldBloke · December 05, 2005, 11:12:56 PM

As Ninja has stated he intends to dispute my ruling and make a formal complaint against me personally then it would be appropriate for someone else to take this on as an admin.

Vincentvega · December 06, 2005, 12:31:48 AM

I suppose it should be an Admin (if any) who witnessed the event? :unsure:
Iam behind you all the way OB but cos i didnt witness it i cant comment on it...

Anonymous · December 06, 2005, 09:50:16 AM

See my response to ninja's Pt 2 - it all started when I accidentally TKd him. He went off the rails at that point and continued to after being warned. As I was first to be sworn at I completely agree with OB banning him.

I do not think it would be correct for me to be involved in complaint other than as a witness so can TL look into this?

Doorman · December 06, 2005, 12:00:38 PM

From the sidelines this looks like a comedy/scratch that, tragedy of errors. I'm not clear just how much swearing was in text and how much was in voice. Not that it makes much difference of course. Maybe everyone concerned needs to step back and see if it would or could, have been handled differently. This looks like entrenchment on both sides and maybe rather than lose an otherwise good member some olive branches could be cut off and waved about. Shouldn't be difficult, we're all adults here.
A mediator ought to be appointed. Think back, one Dark Angel was accused of cheating yet hung on to his position. In my view a much more serious charge.

My quidsworth.
I'll mediate if needed.

Go on, post it

Oh alright *click*