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[saori]

/signed Vargen

Pretty nice job, gratz officers, hope raiding problems can fix!

Sao

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 09:42 AM
First off, the reason I didn't apply for RG1 as soon as I joined the guild, was that I hadn't been to MC or any of the "end game" instances before, and frankly thought I might get bored with it if I ran in there all the time. I've found that it is anything but boring, and would like to do it more often. RG2's "twice a week" is, as far as I see it, not enough. If we're going to get to BWL, AQ40 or the new Naxx instance, it's going to take ages. I play a lot (probably too much), and think that most of you have seen this through my attandance in both MC, ZG and AQ. I've tried to join BWL several times, but appart from a couple of times ages ago, someone else have gotten the free spot(s).

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Remember you have to deserve what you get, and by joining RG1 do you feel that you deserved it? I mean, they have wiped there way trough BWL earning there loot - and we have to do that aswell!

But lets see what the future brings

[Zabard]

Originally posted by Mazii@Jun 26 2006, 10:19 AM
Remember you have to deserve what you get, and by joining RG1 do you feel that you deserved it? I mean, they have wiped there way trough BWL earning there loot - and we have to do that aswell!

But lets see what the future brings

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Should I be any less deserving than someone that goes from none-member straight to RG1?

Jemeny

[Sazgul]

No reason to start 'whining' about not beeing RG1.... Why not be proud of beeing RG2, and doing progress with them? Im proud of beeing RG2 Marshall and helping our second RG forward, that is why we look at changes for RG2 structure.

And btw, I dont plan on MC-sitting people all my WoW life. I plan to go to BWL+ with a good RG2, with a base of great players. So we are trying to find out how many people feel the same way, and who wants to abandon ship.

[Bastet]

Note that the current system of raids is only there cause members requested a casual group, this is slowly changing allready with probably the adding of an attendance requirement for RG2. if on the long run members voice they want to add another raid day (and its supported by most of them) i dont see a problem there. Just note that any change will take a while to put into effect.

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 10:27 AM
Should I be any less deserving than someone that goes from none-member straight to RG1?

Jemeny

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No ofcourse not. But as Vargen states, the requirements for joining RG1 will soon be very big gearwise - and that will mean people have been in the instance before.

[Devout]

Hi

Just a note from me.

I do think it is important to be familiar with the fellow members of ur raid group to do well in the future and especcialy if we soon gonna try out BWL.

Ive been raiding in MC for like sept/oct last year and are a bit bored about it, and cant wait to start raiding in BWL. . In fakt that is why I do raid, to accomplish that goal. Now RG2 are about to start doing that

The guild just have to make a choice. 1. None from RG2 will join RG1 and perhaps also start raiding another day in the week (many in RG2 are very dedicated players). 2. RG1 recruiting from RG2. But if you start recruiting even a few from RG2 to RG1 that can make other from RG2 leave cause of that, I dont know.

My point is that what ever the solution will be. State it clear for all to see.

Btw I dont know if RG1 can easily recruit none members with half BWL gear. So they too will be "set back" if that is the solution.

[Zabard]

Originally posted by Sazgul@Jun 26 2006, 10:35 AM
No reason to start 'whining' about not beeing RG1.... Why not be proud of beeing RG2, and doing progress with them? Im proud of beeing RG2 Marshall and helping our second RG forward, that is why we look at changes for RG2 structure.

I'd like if people stop calling others whiners for stating their opinions and views.

Jem

[Nefrion]

Yes RG1 might be set back if they have to recruit people outside the guild but again- why should RG2 be punished for RG1's lack of attendance?

Nice initiative officers!

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 10:53 AM
I'd like if people stop calling others whiners for stating their opinions and views.

Jem

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[Siffredi]

Originally posted by Devout@Jun 26 2006, 09:49 AM
The guild just have to make a choice. 1. None from RG2 will join RG1 and perhaps also start raiding another day in the week (many in RG2 are very dedicated players). 2. RG1 recruiting from RG2. But if you start recruiting even a few from RG2 to RG1 that can make other from RG2 leave cause of that, I dont know.

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Yes indeed we have dedicated players however i do have a problem on an extra raidday, because i have a newborn child that needs my attention, so i would problerly miss out 1/3 raid a week.
I think Vargen has said it very clearly that RG1 will NOT recruit directly from RG2, however if some would like to join RG1 thats another matter. Because its a personal desire, and i would not like to have a member unhappy in RG2 because we forbid him going to RG1.
The most dedicated ppl in RG2 should just have some loyalty towards our group and stay with us to progress. Still i do respect those wanting more faster than we can progress.

[TeaLeaf]

In relation to RG1 & RG2:
I think one thing that has been mentioned here but is worth repeating is this:

When RG2 start BWL (not that far away imho) then it will not be an option for an RG2 member to join the RG1 raid as *both* raid groups will be in BWL!!

Interraction is not ruled out, but the structure needs to be in place to allow both Raid Groups to stand tall and to stand strong.

TL.

[Bastet]

In relatance what TL said, a bit of travel is also eazyer to take after members get thier gear up, when Rg1 first started BWL we couldnt do it if 1 person didnt show up, now we can take 6 lower geared RG2 members with out too much trouble (provided thier instructed properly), exceptions of this are fights RG1 didnt master yet (think nefarion)

[Siffredi]

Nice one TL - but that also means that the ppl who have ambitions more than RG2 have to make up thier minds right now? Not saying they should leave us, but they really have to consider what they really want.

[Knabbel]

I'm in RG2 and stick with it....as I'm very happy with the raiding. I woundn't mind if RG2 got another day raiding though, but there are also 20 man raids to join and those have some nice loot to (dkp less)......

D.