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[Sebas]

Originally posted by Threbrilith@Jun 26 2006, 03:40 PM
And also a short last note: it seem to me that there are some folks that have expressed negative oppinions towards RG2 members that might want to advance to RG1 (this is bdw an attitude I don't think will help keeping folks in RG2...). First of all people may have various reasons to want that, and that we all should respect, and second of all, if they for some reason don't feel comfortable (or whatever) in RG2 and can't join RG1, than they might as well leave for other guilds that can fit their needs. And than you've lost the player anyhow - not only in that RG, but the whole guild.

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I had a bit of negative tone in my posts, but that may very well be because its just words and its not my native language. I dont have anything for those who wants to progress further, its also what I want. But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice. Molten Core wont stay fun forever...

[Dajo]

Only thing I wanna say about this issue, is that you RG2 guys, not should see your raid as an RG2 but as an Part of a Silver Oak Guardians Raid Force, I have the impression some of you guys feel less then RG1, but you guys are all the same, the only different thing is that you guys started later. Just be proud of what you accomplished already, and will in the very near future.

[Mazii]

Very well written, Dajo - I totally agree

[Zabard]

Originally posted by Dajo@Jun 26 2006, 04:11 PM
Only thing I wanna say about this issue, is that you RG2 guys, not should see your raid as an RG2 but as an Part of a Silver Oak Guardians Raid Force, I have the impression some of you guys feel less then RG1, but you guys are all the same, the only different thing is that you guys started later. Just be proud of what you accomplished already, and will in the very near future.

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Of course we're proud. First time we downed Raggy ppl went bananas.  

And I just have to say: I LOVE your picture.  :lmfao:

[Bob]

Originally posted by Sebas+Jun 26 2006, 04:05 PM-->

QUOTE(Sebas @ Jun 26 2006, 04:05 PM)

But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice.

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I can very much understand that you're "afraid" of loosing valuable members from the raid group - I've had the same feeling many times when SOG has gone through a hard time with folks leaving and all.
My point is just that: if people feel uncomfortable (by any reason, won't start listing alternatives here) in RG2 they won't enjoy staying there for a longer period of time and will probably leave anyhow.  Isn't it than better than they at least "leave" to RG1 instead of leaving the guild totally?
And also remember as I said: if a spot opens in RG1, there is a possibility that the one who "opened that spot" wants a spot in RG2

[Neff]

I find MOlten core rather boring, why? because all the tier 1 gear didnt drop when i wanted to !
J/k Mc is kinda easy for "us" now, and it has been for some time.  Its great for "testing" your dps / Healing and i've never had so many funny conversations out of mc with you guys. Wondering if addy still has that macro

[Sazgul]

I had a bit of negative tone in my posts, but that may very well be because its just words and its not my native language. I dont have anything for those who wants to progress further, its also what I want. But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice. Molten Core wont stay fun forever...

/agree.

I dont hope i sound negative when I write, english is not my primary language, so sometimes it might "sound wrong".

[Gorion]

well heres my 2cents..

well imo, rg2 is a bit far away from starting bwl.. why? its not that you are not good, but its your gear that lacks, sure some of you have full t1 and some have t2 items, but most of you dont have enough. you still struggle a bit with ragnaros(and sometimes rg1 dps is needed aswell).

bwl is extremely hard, it was for rg1 and it will be same for rg2, the anmount of tactics, teamplay and presicion needed is huge. simple example: if 1 critical person dies while doing razorgore, youve probably got a wipe. rg1 spent months wiping on just razorgore, its one of the hardest bosses in bwl, its a test.. only the worthy will progress.  you might say that rg2 has had a really nice mc progress (and it is nice and fast) but.. bwl is a totally different story, rg1 struggled with most of its members fully equipped with t1, epic rings, weapons and all that stuff and so will rg2

long post.. but read it

[DonnieKingo]

Agree...

I think it is a bit premature to talk about the "upcoming" BWL-runs in RG2. As late as last night we wiped on Raggy. My bet is that half of RG2 need half their Tier 1-set. We still cant do the entire MC i one night.

I would hardly call MC a walk in the park yet - and i still see plenty of challenges down there.

Sure - in time we are gonna spend a lot of our money on reparing after failed BWL attempts - but first things first - lets be able to run through MC in one night - or even just take down Raggy again

[Knabbel]

Well as it is certain that we all need good gear but we (Rg2) could spare the most time by knowing what to do before a fight start.  Round up, buff up, short recap, to your positions and go and for the love of peace, bring your own pots allong, that only saves like 25min.  :excl:

 :rockon:

D.

[Sazgul]

Aye, we could learn a bit about, getting ready to boss fights a bit faster, I agree there.

And another thing we need to make rutine. Bring your own pots and stuff.
Healing, Mana, Damage, Crit and so forth - We have enough in the guild able to make some nice pots, so make use of them. (btw this does not include fire pots, tho you wouldnt be flamed if you bring your own)

So lets stack up for a Raggy kill maybe Thursday? and btw we did great progress on Raggy last night - 8% on our (rg2) own, even with 3-5 soldier members. Only thing needed is for us to get a hang of Domo fight.

Molten Core challenges left we still need to master;

Sulfuron (after he's been changed)
Major Domo
Ragnaros

[Nefrion]

Originally posted by Sazgul@Jun 27 2006, 08:56 AM
Aye, we could learn a bit about, getting ready to boss fights a bit faster, I agree there.

So lets stack up for a Raggy kill maybe Thursday? and btw we did great progress on Raggy last night - 8% on our (rg2) own, even with 3-5 soldier members. Only thing needed is for us to get a hang of Domo fight.

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IMO we did a great job at Raggy yesterday. Went down to 35% at sons. We might wanna work on gathering up the sons and getting them down faster so they do not drain too much mana.

Let's keep up attendance and down Raggy on Thursday!

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Nefrion@Jun 27 2006, 11:01 AM
IMO we did a great job at Raggy yesterday. Went down to 35% at sons. We might wanna work on gathering up the sons and getting them down faster so they do not drain too much mana.

Let's keep up attendance and down Raggy on Thursday!

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We only had 3 mages, and they all did very well in trying to hold them gathered. With 5 mages as we are supposed to have in every raid, we could easily have done it with not so many deaths during Sons - keep it up all!

[Devout]

Hi

Just one question.

The Guild has been most kind in handing out pots for everyone. Is that the way it will be in future too, or do we depend on gathering the required pots ourselves.

As stated from Knabbel we do save a lot of time if everyone have their own pots, but then again we save money if the Guild has the finance for it.

Btw, best time to golamagg so far is 3:19. Lets beat that time thursdag  

[Mazii]

Originally posted by Devout@Jun 27 2006, 11:45 AM
Hi

Just one question.

The Guild has been most kind in handing out pots for everyone. Is that the way it will be in future too, or do we depend on gathering the required pots ourselves.

As stated from Knabbel we do save a lot of time if everyone have their own pots, but then again we save money if the Guild has the finance for it.

Btw, best time to golamagg so far is 3:19. Lets beat that time thursdag

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The Guild finance the Fire Protection Pots. All other pots you have to finance yourself. I have been kind in handing out pots myself, but last evening I didnt and it went very well.