Here we go again.

[Zabard]

I'm sorry people, I'm still fuming about this, and I'm sure I'm gonna regret some of the things I've written later on, but I figure that I need to get this off my chest.
 
After thinking about what Donnie wrote, it just proves my point even more. This is exactly the way of thinking that proves my point. When people think like this, it's kind of a slap in the face. "Screw you, I know this would benefit you more, but I don't care. Give it to me!"
 
If this is the kind of attitude we're to have in RG2, perhaps it's better if I just leave.

[DonnieKingo]

So you are saying that rogues/warriors can have all the weapons they want - no matter if they just want to put in their bag for a show-off-item - and that hunters can only roll for it if the LM says "Last call or it will be DE'ed"?
 
Im sorry, but that is how i read your last post. I have seen warriors in MC get 2-3 different weapons in MC over time - and they can use at most 2 at the time - so i am not allowed to upgrade my blue-axe until every warrior/rogue has all the weapons in MC?

[Yrthal]

I dont understand why people get so worked up about loot!?

1st of all its just a game.

2nd most dkp wins.

Hell, there was some items that i also wanted last run and this run and alot of other runs.. low dkp no items. Seriously cool down, it WILL drop again. I dont belive my eyes when i read posts like this, ppl that discuss a simple thing as loot. Instead of getting worked up you should rather be happy for DK for getting the item and improving himselfe. I would say at the buttom line is that you dont do this for loot but to have some fun with 39 other ppl and enjoy a good time together. Loot is just a minor reward for you're hard work.

"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

[Zabard]

No, that's not what I'm saying, and I can't even remotely see where you read this in what I've been saying.
 
If people pick up items with priority just "for fun", then they are showing what I'd call bad judgement at best. I've seen that others having picked up the brutality blade before me have DE'd it later on, which annoyes me to no end, but I can only assume that they did this cause they got something better later on which would make it pointless for them to keep it in the bank for instance.
 
I myself picked up the Peredition Blade as one of (if not the first) rogues in RG2, this as a result of warriors taking the Brutality blade first, and me being a melee character seeing the obvious benefit of taking a much higher dps weapon, even tho it was not the kind I wanted, instead of what I was using. I've always been a sword rogue, but having gotten at the back of the que behind other rogues and warriors, I've had daggers for so long that many haven't seen me with anything else. When I now finally got to the front of the que for the blade, and the blade not dropping for our last 5 or so runs, it kind of snapped for me.

[Claw]

i totaly have to agree with u DK..

The loot rules are the highest DKP gets the item..
Im getting verry verry tired of the Hate between hunters and rouges, evry time a hunter gets a nice weapon some rouge will go in here and writhe about it..

now people stop it. if u dont have enougth DKP for overbid an other player, then u just cant get the item, perhaps next time or next time again.

wee should be happy for eachother and grats eachother for a new weapon, instead of wee are happy for eachother wee go and flame each other.

and i think its so childish of us to do that. its not just a rouge/warrior weapon, is a rouge,warrior and hunter why shoud a rouge or a warrior have more priority on it than a hunter??

[Zabard]

I think you're missing the point here, Claw, this isn't so much about the DKP, this is about working as a team. Seeing the obvious benefit that another class has for an item, and on purpose ignoring it (I was hoping that it was a slip, but it has been proven not to be) is something I don't want to be part of. It is not team work.

[DonnieKingo]

I am very sorry Jemeny, but how on earth am i to know if you prefer sword over daggers or the other way around?
 
I dont go around memorizing how every member of the raid is specced or equipped.
 
The bottom line is - i didnt do this to upset anyone and i didnt do it with a "screw the rogues/warriors"-attitude (if that is what you think!) - i did it because i thought it to be a nice upgrade to my good-old-stratholme-axe.

[Zabard]

No, I'm not expecting you to know if I want that sword or not, there is no way for you to know, and that's why I want loot priority, or at least that the ML sends a message about a rogue wanting it, and giving you the chance to say "Ok, I see that so and so would benefit from this more, I'll pass then".
 
What disapoints me most, is that it seems there is a "war" between rogues and hunters here, and that we don't see eye to eye. I'd never do a similar thing on a ranged weapon. I'm sad to see this doesn't work both ways.

[noevra]

jeremy, if you say they de it later because they got a better one, and it frustrates me i kinde think your saying you cant loot annything in mc, only if you dont intent to do bwl.... because we all probely get better loot the longer we play.
 
besites, if we sould set up priorty on loot then whats next?
rogue daggers only
warriors only shields and 1 handed wapons
hunters only 2h wapons...
 
sorry but a Hunter can use it, it may not be the best charcter to be giben the sword but he will us it for a wile.
 
besites i got like 5 wapons atm that i hardly use (including the brutalty blade) but most of the wapons i used for a period of time and it fitted me well. To say that i souldnt have wispered(rolled) on those items because i probely get somting better is plain old stupid since i cant look un the feuther.
 
The dkp system is a specialy for the once like you. If you so badly want the brutalty blade DONT loot annything and get your dkp up so your highest on list when it drops agan.

[Knabbel]

A little side note.....
 
now we have MC on farm status we are stuggle ourselfs through BWL, and I can assure you that there will be phat lewt...
 
The spinal reaver is nice indeed for me, but I can't wait to get my hands on Herald of Woe now that we coming close to Flamegore...
 
So saving your dkp for bwl......and not forget to mention...the 20 man raid gives nice weapons to.
 
in the end we will benefit much more if we all get along and Jemeny I realy hope you'll not leave otherwise we will get another "new" drakki member...and we serieous need a commited group.
 
Getting new people into the raid everytime isn';t much of a help either, no matter what loot...... You cannot level up your raid group while we get new members everytime.

[Sazgul]

A quick comment from a ML, who tried the priority thing, and got flamed.
 
It's NOT easy, in any way. Its hard to use priority because there's so many oppinions about what's pri for who. But I think we might be able to find somewhere in between.
 
I'd like to try and do something else on the next raid. The ML will pay a bit more attention about which class is number 1+2 according to the dkp on a specific item. Then he sends a whisper out to number 1 about who's second - Tho only if according to the ML that's any sense in number 2 on dkp has "better use of it". The number 1 and 2 can have a 1 min chat about the item, the return to the ML with a solution within the timeframe. If the ML dosent get a response within the timefram - higher DKP person gets... maybe this could be tried?

[Padding]

I think the above posting shows that this can be viewed from at least 2 sides and the arguments given is fair enough from both sides.
 
It can be discussed who needed the sword most, or who could both use it, but i find the discussion interesting, allthough i bit harsh on words sometimes.
 
What do troubles me is that these things tend to happen over and over again, and thats not teamwork either. Personally i would say that the rogue prob has the best use for the weapon (isolated incident) however its a really nice upgrade for DK, and he cant really take into account what rogue has what weapons and what specc etc.
 
Its up to the Marshals and Field Marshals to decide what loot system we think is best generally, and we should all be aware of that, and follow that system, and then all get into the teamwork boat and sail the same way

[Knabbel]

I think it is a idea into the right direction...:boxing:
 
If there is a doubt on who gets the loot, it might be a good idea to let the two persons communicate.......
 
Communication is a good thing thou...

[Greatdanes]

FFS. very time a guy don't get the loot he want, we see this kind of post.

Please remember we are 40 men during the raid and not you alone.
All 40 men have they right's to get some loot, something fit better to one person than another, so that's why Blizzard have made class item's but there are items who can be used by more then 1 class so why shut out anyone.

If you as hunter want to be with/use 2 1hand weapons(at the level where RG2 as atm), the BB is one of the better weapons for that, along with the axe from CC you will have some of the best.
 
I will definite whipser for it again next time it drop.
 
So Donniekingo, gratz with a great weapon.:yahoo:
 
(btw last time I think it was a paladin complaing about there was a priority rule on weapons) We can't make every 40 men happy every time!!!

[Sebas]

So how about you just announce who whispered for the items and give them, what was already suggested, a 1 min timeframe to discuss who needs it more than others.
E.g, I would like to have Staff of Domination as a boost for my +dmg gear, but if I know there is a mage who still has a tier0 staff with no extra damage at all I would pass for them. But if I see that there are only druids or other priests whispering I would say let the DKP decide. (just a quick example, haven´t thought it fullly through)
But for one thing
 
Communication is the key!