Here we go again.

[Umbra]

Padding, thats pretty much what I said first. people who whisper don't know who else whispered, having priority might be a big job but it can't be as big as cumulatively, each person asking everyone else. But anyway, alot of these could be avoided if:

a) people knew who else was after it, common sense works on knowledge.
b) people accept that if someone has the dkp for it they've earned it.

a explained) as has been stated before, you can't really say i'd like it but not if class a or b wants it, unless its a backup, except clause c, h and etc etc etc, it's not viable. so it's easier just to let people know who is after it or at least classes that have asked for it.

b explained) regardless of what you may have waited for or what you think is better overall, the fact is, if someone has more dkp then you, accept the fact that that you might not get an item you're after. You wouldn't join a new company and say, 'I want the MD's bmw z3 because I' m a better driver', relax you will get your item, it just means that either a) the person has raided more, or b) you've bought more items. they have earned it. more than once I've wanted some lovely dps item that has gone to some other class, but, if they have more dkp, then i'll fume inside for 20 mins then accept they have earned their right with more time spent or by wisely saving.

[jianlock]

I completely go with Noevra on this one.
 
"The dkp system is a specialy for the once like you. If you so badly want the brutalty blade DONT loot annything and get your dkp up so your highest on list when it drops agan."

 
I don't think that any1 in this guild just take loot just to have it, but because is it better than the one they had.

[Vargen]

This is just a disgrace how badly the rogues in RG2 treat their hunters. Sure I've seen protection warriors take the brutality blade over hunters, now that IS a shame. It seems that the rogues here represent the most important class, or at least they are trying hard to seem like it. And just for that I would like every rogue that posts in this thread to name THREE melee weapons they feel are suited for a hunter. You may exclude AQ and Naxx. Only MC and BWL. Since obviously you don't know much about the hunter class I'll give you some tips to what stats they need. Crit/hit, Agi and maybe some AP.
 
And here is a draft for loot priority:
Rogues - Daggers
Hunters - Ranged
Warriors - Swords
 
That should solve it, shouldn't it?

[Vargen]

A quick comment from a ML, who tried the priority thing, and got flamed.
 
It's NOT easy, in any way. Its hard to use priority because there's so many oppinions about what's pri for who. But I think we might be able to find somewhere in between.
 
I'd like to try and do something else on the next raid. The ML will pay a bit more attention about which class is number 1+2 according to the dkp on a specific item. Then he sends a whisper out to number 1 about who's second - Tho only if according to the ML that's any sense in number 2 on dkp has "better use of it". The number 1 and 2 can have a 1 min chat about the item, the return to the ML with a solution within the timeframe. If the ML dosent get a response within the timefram - higher DKP person gets... maybe this could be tried?

This is what I do in RG1 btw

[Zabard]

It would seem this discussion is a big waste of time. As I put in my answer to Claw, this has nothing to do with DKP, it's about how we work together as a team, and how people should try to be considerate towards each other. When people are totally void of the meaning of this, this is when things break down for my part. Is it only me that think this should be an obvious and fundamental part of what we are trying to do here?
 
I see our dear GM has posted a note while I was writing this. It seems he is of the same point of view as many of the other posters here. I stand corrected. Consider me a Soldier from now on.

[Vargen]

So how about you just announce who whispered for the items and give them, what was already suggested, a 1 min timeframe to discuss who needs it more than others.
E.g, I would like to have Staff of Domination as a boost for my +dmg gear, but if I know there is a mage who still has a tier0 staff with no extra damage at all I would pass for them. But if I see that there are only druids or other priests whispering I would say let the DKP decide. (just a quick example, haven´t thought it fullly through)
But for one thing
 
Communication is the key!

 
Anathema > Staff of Dominance

[Vargen]

How can you say that YOU getting loot because you are more important then a hunter is making the team stronger? I don't think it makes you any more popular with anyone other then yourself.

[Zabard]

This discussion is not about ME, it's about RG2 as a group. It seems this discussion as the last one, has drowned in single items and single persons. Read my last post once more, I'm sorry if I'm that bad at communicating what I'm trying to say.

[Yrthal]

This is just F..... Unbeleavle how ppl can make a SINGEL item to such a humongus discussion and even leave the RG!?

Plz take some time and think about how childish this is.. Its 1 item, and item than even doesent exsist... its a game, a COMPUTER game, its an illusion, it will appear again.. I could understand if DK got the last Ferrari in the world, but a thing that even doesent exist... seriously its just lame to discuss such a thing...

As i mentioned before, instead of flaming eachother we should rather be happy for that person to get an improvment. The reason DK got it is he had more DKP and earned the blade. The blade gives +9 str +9 agi and +1% to crit.. and its usefull by hunters as much as rogues and warriors. WTH even a lolladin could use it..

[Yrthal]

This discussion is not about ME, it's about RG2 as a group. It seems this discussion as the last one, has drowned in single items and single persons. Read my last post once more, I'm sorry if I'm that bad at communicating what I'm trying to say.

you kinda are..
you use the blade to show how bad we communicate...
again there are NO class specifikation on it and its as much an improvment for Hunters as it is for rogues/warriors.

If the hunter thinks that its an improvment for him and he has the DKP theres nothing to discuss!? is there?

[Luthor]

I have to say that I understand you big time.
 
Have had the same kind of thought lately. Just for RG1. Lets take the 2 items from BWL http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51928 and http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51923
 
I have to say I woud have a really hard time inside my self if I see a priest take those items in front of a mage / lock. I do know that those are not class specefic items. But how much do a priest need the dmg compared to a mage / lock ?
 
So all in all ppl shoud maybe think abit more, when they whisper for a item.

 
Thanks for the wonderfull comment Deadly, but im sad to disappoint you, i will at some point when i will be given the chance pick one or both of those items. not because im a greedy *******. which you may consider me, but because i do other things beside raiding. (i also think thats why we removed priority on loot, for RG1 at least).
 
Ofc i will consider passing, i have done many times before. BUT, please realize i cannot kill stuff with healing. i cannot melee... my only option is to cast spells. and none of my "supposed-to-be-close-to-godlike" gear. none of it supports spelldamage. Though, the entire spectra of Warlock and Mage gear supports Damage very well.
 
I wanna have fun aswell. that is why there is no priority.
 
YES raiding is fun, but i cannot raid 24-7, i need to grind mats, money etc etc. Rep... you name it i farm it... how can it be posible for a nub priest like me? i have been so lucky to be in a guild that actually smiles when they see people being able to shine more everywhere, that is at least how i feel it.
 
Ofc i could just respec to something more DPS favourable, but i truly doubt you wanna see the end of SOG raids because none of the healers can do anything but healing...
 
Druids, Paladins and Priests.
 
All of em want some gear that can be used outside raids. because most of our players do infact spend more time outside than inside raids.
 
You guys that pulled the long straw or whatever you wanna call it. should be smiling.
 
Yes yo dont have priority on the BEST of the best. but your entire wardrobe is only adding to your massive pool of whatever is needed. AP or Spellpower etc.
 
Let the ME have some fun. dont teach me about common sense, when you obviously lack it.
 
Luthor
 
Luthor

[Claw]

But annyways just becuse u are a meele class you shouldent get the priority on it. hunters just as warriors and rouges have the abillity to use swords and daggers, and all 3 classes can do meele depends the spec..

but again, a weapon with agility, and % to crit is a hunter weapon as much as it is a rouge and warrior weapon.

rouges just uses a lower amout of agility to get a % to crit than a hunter so?
agility for an hunter is % to crit and doge so its so lame complning about a foolish weapon that will drop again, its not the end of this weapon. so give it a bit paitence and you will get it.

Posted by: Vargen
And here is a draft for loot priority:
Rogues - Daggers
Hunters - Ranged
Warriors - Swords

i will need to dissagree with u there m8..

[Akall]

Luthor has a point there...

[Padding]

Jemeny, i hope you'll take some time to reconsider staying in the group. I really dont think loot should decide whether you are raiding a not. I understand your frustration, but consider the big picture. Its a game and you'll get the item next time

[Incentos]

I think we (as a guild) should ask ourself the question...are we raiding for personal gains (solo grinding, pvp or whatever) or for the group (instance progression)?
 
As long as we have people with different goals we keep getting discussions like this.