Any issues?

[sheepy]

Recently we have been hearing wispering of some people not to happy with things in the guild - Please tell us what you are not happy about - if you are not comfortable putting issues here then please send me or one of the other officers a PM.

If you do not raise any issuse or questions then we cannot deal with them.

[Améthyst]

I have a raiding issue that has been particularily bothering me especially in 25 man raids.

We get a lot of people who feel they need to talk throughout the raid, whether it be telling others what to do & how to play their class, or talking randomly, yelling for heroism, saying 'go, go go' before the tanks are ready, etc.  

I get that we need to talk, but there have been several times we have followed the wrong instruction, ie one given not by the raid leader or tank, & wiped because of it or nearly wiped.  imo only the main tank, main healer & raid leader should be talking the majority of the raid so we get clear instructions & succeed more!

[Jim]

I have a raiding issue that has been particularily bothering me especially in 25 man raids.

We get a lot of people who feel they need to talk throughout the raid, whether it be telling others what to do & how to play their class, or talking randomly, yelling for heroism, saying 'go, go go' before the tanks are ready, etc.  

I get that we need to talk, but there have been several times we have followed the wrong instruction, ie one given not by the raid leader or tank, & wiped because of it or nearly wiped.  imo only the main tank, main healer & raid leader should be talking the majority of the raid so we get clear instructions & succeed more!

I agree, as a healer i find it hard to concentrate on my job at hand when all i hear in my ears is "kill this, oh wait move, AMG GONNA DIE!!!".

Of course i dont mind the odd banter inbetween bosses but to be honest if people need to be reminded what they're doing mid fight then they shouldnt be in the raid as far as im concerned

[Sithvid]

Well this banal banter hit the forum a month back. I though it had got better, in that it had decreased. Is it a fine line between making the odd suggestion to raid leaders or incessantly chatting...no.
The problems lie in whether the chatters are aware, and do they read the forums?

Could the Raid leader create a macro ....
Boss Fight Starting Shut the Ã,£$% up until the end please.
The end meaning after the loot has been dished.....

[kregoron]

To ensure raid progress ill be posting my thoughts, these are my thoughts and mine alone, so i dont expect anyone to agree

1. Performance: Im not gonna point fingers, but certain people should sit down and have a look at their numbers after a raid, as some are sub std tbh, and i dont really care if they say its their gear, certain people have been receiving loads of gear from nax and so on, and their performance is the same as 2 months ago.. which is just slack..
Spend some time reading tactics, memorize em! It impacts everyone in the raid that someone doesnt know what hes doing, it cause uneeded delays, wipes, and other problems.
Spend some time on a site like elitist jerks looking at specs & rotations it can mean a huge difference for your performance..

2. Turn up: I know DMR is a casual guild, but showing up for raids once every two weeks is a joke in my book, atleast when you actually expect to get gear when you do.. Its spreads around the loot to people who in my book isnt really there making loot "used" for guild progression.

3. Prepare: Spend some time prepare yourself and your char for a raid.. Gather pots/flasks whatever you need, its really anoying to see people showing up with nothing and seeing other spend hours farming feasts for others to use, knowing they havent really done anything themselves..
Get your gear in order, get the stuff enchanted, gemmed & whatever..


Those are just some of my thoughts, and again i dont really expect anyone to agree but might get someone to open their eyes just a tiny bit from their slumber

[sheepy]

all very good comments so far guys - and kreg yes i do agree with a lot of what you are saying, EVERYONE can benifit from looking at logs and doing a little theory crafting, even when you have done loads there is usually something you can tweek

[kregoron]

all very good comments so far guys - and kreg yes i do agree with a lot of what you are saying, EVERYONE can benifit from looking at logs and doing a little theory crafting, even when you have done loads there is usually something you can tweek

i spent more then most guys on EJ, reading every week, running simulations, doing mats just to find sweet spots where more dps can be found

[Limps]

To ensure raid progress ill be posting my thoughts, these are my thoughts and mine alone, so i dont expect anyone to agree

1. Performance: Im not gonna point fingers, but certain people should sit down and have a look at their numbers after a raid, as some are sub std tbh, and i dont really care if they say its their gear, certain people have been receiving loads of gear from nax and so on, and their performance is the same as 2 months ago.. which is just slack..
Spend some time reading tactics, memorize em! It impacts everyone in the raid that someone doesnt know what hes doing, it cause uneeded delays, wipes, and other problems.
Spend some time on a site like elitist jerks looking at specs & rotations it can mean a huge difference for your performance..

2. Turn up: I know DMR is a casual guild, but showing up for raids once every two weeks is a joke in my book, atleast when you actually expect to get gear when you do.. Its spreads around the loot to people who in my book isnt really there making loot "used" for guild progression.

3. Prepare: Spend some time prepare yourself and your char for a raid.. Gather pots/flasks whatever you need, its really anoying to see people showing up with nothing and seeing other spend hours farming feasts for others to use, knowing they havent really done anything themselves..
Get your gear in order, get the stuff enchanted, gemmed & whatever..


Those are just some of my thoughts, and again i dont really expect anyone to agree but might get someone to open their eyes just a tiny bit from their slumber

Kreg hit the nail, he is totally right, this is something the officers need to keep and aye on and have a talk with them to improve dps/healing and this is a must. And even if we are a casual raid guild i think we do expect ppl to do their best and allways show up with flask and foodbuff, and maybe see a video of a fight you dont know yet (and tbh that is not much asked of you). And it is really important to read up on your class to max out your dps if you are in doubt about you making enough dps.
If people dont wanna meet up for raiding with their flask and food buff and slacking a lot on dps (like afk, and belive me it not hard to notice a dps not doing his or hers job, and it only make the ones he does their best not angry but disapointed) i think we need to make consekvenses to keep up moral and good spirit through out the raid and guild.
And the consekvense could be a lot of things but it need to make an impact, not saying it need to be an aggressive approach but it is important the issue is taking serious.
Now lets get raids on

best regards,

Limps

edit: social to casual.

[Lola]

I echo what is being said on here (and for the record I have no probs with the guild/raiding but yes I know some people do). it's basic to be stocked up with pots n food and don't rely on sithy (and his lil fishy helpers) for food.

Healy and dps wise (and no I can't out heal bay but apparently he is not human hehehe) I do think people need to push out and max it on fights.

I can only say that I'm here as I like the guild and my fellow guildies, so I have fun and try my hardest to do my bestest.

TTFN
Me x

[JonnyAppleSeed]

I can't out heal bay

Yeh but hes just not normal

[Tirkad]

To be honest i don't think records can be reliable in showing my commitment during the raid, since, just to make an example, i'm far below the best healer in heal meters in every raid but maybe the 10 men.
Does that mean i'm not paying attention, or slacking during raids? I don't think so, and every member whith which i have done a 10 men ulduar raid can say how seriously i take the raids (or at least i hope you feel this way :narnar: ).
Does that mean i'm not needed? Maybe, but again, we already tried in raiding ulduar 25 with one less healer and the outcome hasn't been successful, to use an euphemism. However, now we're much better geared and we are more used to the tactics, so maybe it's worth a try.
Does that mean i'm not playing my class to its fullest? Maybe. I'm not the kind of guy who thinks he's the best one around and he's doing the best job that could ever be done and shame to people who dare to tell me what to do, i always look for advices on how to improve my playing stile, and trying myself new ways of playing my class, discarding the less efficients.

However, i agree that a better preparation before the raids can help a lot, this can be achieved by consulting the wowiki website or just watching the video of the fight on youtube, there are plenty, very well made and easy to understand. This will prevent many wipes that occur just for lack of experience.

About the people talking on ts during raids, i think there's nothing to do for it, but muting every microphone but the ones of who's supposed to talk, or just rely on the maturity of the attending players to avoid the improper use. Personally, i prefere the last option.

[kregoron]

Well the WoW meter online logs actually does show a lot more then one would think, try looking at the Healing Target Analysis & Raid Analysis gives some nice impressions for a overall performance, ofc one then have to take into account of what classes do what, but with some knowledge and common sense you can derive a lot from those numbers..

Lets say two casters of same class performs very different, then you look at specs, if they got similar based specs, and ofc you take into account for variation in gear..
But WMO logs shows things like number of casts, if Caster 1 has twice as many casts as Caster 2, you know where the issue is.. and it needs to be addressed..

[TeaLeaf]

I think Kreg & Tirk both have good points.  

Re Healing Meters:
Healing meters (e.g. Recount) can be highly misleading.   As the person who sets the healing assignments for Elysium I can make pretty much any particular healer I want be the top healer on the meters simply by changing their assignment.  However as Kreg said, analytical tools like WMO are massively helpful and can really educate you as to how to improve your performance as a healer (or any other class/role for that matter).  

Take your last 25 man logs as an example.  A quick 2 minute review told me that:

-one of your healers has not glyphed properly for their spec
-two of your healers completely forgot to use one of their key abilities during a fight and that a third  healer remembered to use a key ability once only when it was available four times during a fight.
-one healer chooses to major glyph for a spell they hardly ever use
-one healing class under-utlises one of the key spells in their healing armory
-another healer glyphs for one spell but actually mostly uses another (also glyphable) healing spell

That's a quick review and there us WAY more info there to help you improve if you want to look at the logs.  You could do a similar list for melee or ranged dps or tanks etc, it just depends if you want to make those improvements.

It is easy to spot the gaps in rotations or the misuse of spells or glyphs and the resulting changes can seriously improve your performance.  The things I mentioned take very little time to correct and if I had to guess then I would estimate that the changes they imply are needed would have improved the healing effectiveness by about 10%, improved mana efficiency and opened the possibility of dropping a healer to add a much needed dps to get the boss kill.

So, the logs are most defintely useful.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

Ill own up to 2/5 of them

And they should be easy to fix... he says changing the habits of a lifetime

[Tirkad]

It is easy to spot the gaps in rotations or the misuse of spells or glyphs and the resulting changes can seriously improve your performance.

What did you mean by that? As a holy paladin, I'm pretty much used to think that i have to adapt my rotation to the kind of damage i have to heal, sometimes i can forsee them exactly (for example in IC fight - on Steelbreaker tank) and sometime i just have to figure out (in a very short time, of course) if that player needs an instant to survive for the next heal or he can survive 2 seconds for the biggest one (usually i don't consider flesh of light if not on a target with sacred shield on). What i'm trying to ask is: Is there a particular rotation i have to stick to at all costs, or were your words referred to another class?